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PostSubject: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:36 am

FORMULA 1 ENI MAGYAR NAGYDIJ 2013

Formula 1 makes its only visit to Eastern Europe this weekend in Hungary for the Formula 1 Eni Magyar Nagydij 2013. The twisty Hungaoring hosts the tenth round of the 2013 FIA Formula 1 World Championship.





In 1986 Hungary hosted its first ever Formula 1 event in the shape of the Hungarian Grand Prix at the twisty Hungaroring. Originally, Bernie Ecclestone and his management group wanted the Hungarian GP to be held on a street track, mimicking the Monte Carlo course. However, to build a sustainable motorsport future for Hungary, the government decided to build a permanent circuit which was originally designed primarily for Formula 1 racing, but, could be used for other championships as well in the future. The 2.722 mile, 14 turn road course is commonly referred to as “Monaco without the houses”, the circuit features many sections with continuous corners with very few straights. Which is exactly what the Monaco course has in terms of circuit characteristics, and that makes the race one of the most physically demanding for the drivers on the calendar.

The race is not fondly thought of by motor racing fans, due to the severe lack of passing opportunities. It has created some memorable moments since the inaugural race in 1986. Such as Ayrton Senna failing to pass Bousten in 1990, despite trying some imaginative ways to catch out a much slower Bousten, Damon Hill almost winning the race in an Arrows in 1997, Michael Schumacher’s incredible race speed in 1998, Button’s first win in 2006 and the first wet race at the track, Hamilton’s and Alonso’s qualifying shenanigans in 2007. And, of course, the first KERS-hybrid victory in Formula 1 history in 2009, courtesy of Lewis Hamilton’s victory in his Mclaren-Mercedes MP4-24.

Hungarian fast facts

-Driving direction: Clockwise
-Length of pit straight: 0.50 mile
-Average speed of lap: 118 mph
-Longest period at full throttle: 11 seconds/750 meters
-Full throttle percentage: 55 %
-Time on brakes: 15 %
-Gear changes per lap: 50
-Highest g-force: 3.9 g
--Total race distance: 190 miles

Overtaking opportunities

The Hungaroring features sequences of winding corners and few heavy braking zones, and the lack of slipstream in these sections makes passing difficult. The entry to turn 1 was modified in 2003, it is now wider to encourage more overtaking into the corner. Turn 1 is one of two realistic places to pass, with cars building up to over 186 mph and braking to just 57 mph for turn 1. This is a large braking zone where the majority of passing will occur if a driver can get a good exit off turn 14, and closely follow his rival down the pit straight to line up his rival. A good exit off turn 14 is even more critical this year as the DRS-zone is placed on the pit straight.

If a driver fails to pass into turn 1, they can cut to the inside and get a better exit to pounce in turn 2. The outside of turn 2 allows a driver to race their opponent through the corner, then, have the optimum line into turn 3 to complete the pass. Passing into turn 2 should be more feasible due to a second DRS zone placed between turns 1 and 2. If a driver doesn’t make an overtake on the pit straight or into turn 1, the driver on the offensive can try and utilise DRS for the second time after turn 1.


What to watch for

Managing the rear tyres will be critical this weekend, because the effects of significant degradation would be felt in almost every turn at the Hungaroring, with most corners being traction-limited. Keeping the rear tyres alive, along with track position, will be key to succeeding this weekend.

Car requirements

With 40 per cent of the lap spent in corners at or below 93 mph, the emphasis on this track is good mechanical, low-speed grip (factors regarding braking, traction, suspension geometry etc) with a car that doesn’t understeer excessively. A car that has an eager direction change and has a positive front end is going to be competitive with all the tight turns.

The Hungaroring has one of the lowest full throttle percentages of all the circuits on the schedule, at only 58 percent. Combined with a track that predominantly features low to medium speed corners, this means that short gear ratios are needed for punchy acceleration out of the slow corners. The pit straight is the only place where the cars spend a long time full throttle, so maximum downforce is also needed with aerodynamic efficiency of little importance.

A good, consistent balance will also be a factor in helping the tyres to survive. This track has a number of long, tight corners where it’s important for a keen front-end. In some ways, forward bite on entry to corners will be almost as important as traction getting off the corners. A car that washes wide may provoke more oversteer, as well. In general, this track has corners where poor balance will be exposed, as oppose to other tracks where high speed turns might disguise the problem.

Tyre selections

Pirelli will bring their Soft and Medium compound P Zero tyres to Hungary. The graphic below shows Pirelli’s 2013 range of P Zero tyres:



Video footage

Here is a flying lap of this Hungarian Circuit with Lewis Hamilton, driving his McLaren-Mercedes Benz MP4-27 during last year's event.



Weekend schedule in UK time:

Friday 26 July 2013

Friday Practice 1 10:00 – 11:30
Friday Practice 2 14:00 – 15:30

Sat 27 July 2013

Saturday Practice 10:00 – 11:00
Qualifying 13:00

Sun 28 July 2013

Start of Formation Lap 13:00
2013 Hungarian Grand Prix Race Start 13:03

Full weekend schedule in local time

Thursday 25th July:

Formula One Press Conference - Press Room   15:00

Friday 26th July:

Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   08:45 – 09:45
Formula One Practice 1   10:00 – 11:30
GP2 Practice Session  12:00 – 12:30
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   12:35 – 13:45
Formula One Practice 2   14:00 – 15:30
GP2 Qualifying Session  15:55 – 16:25
Formula One Press Conference - Press Room   16:00 – 17:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup  16:45 – 17:30
GP3 Practice Session  17:50 – 18:35

Saturday  27th July

Formula One Pit Stop Practice   08:30 – 09:15
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   08:30 – 09:35
GP3 Qualifying Session   09:45 – 10:15
Formula One Practice 3   11:00 – 12:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Qualifying Session  12:25 – 12:55
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   13:00 – 13:45
Formula One Qualifying   13:00
GP2 First Race (37 laps or 60 mins)  15:40 – 16:45
GP3 First Race (17 Laps or 30 mins)  17:20 – 17:55

Sunday 28th July

GP3 First Race (17 Laps or 30 mins)  09:25 – 10:00
GP2 Second Race (28 laps or 60 mins)  10:35 – 11:25
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Race (14 laps or 30 mins)  11:45 – 12:20
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Walk   12:25 – 13:15
Formula One Drivers Parade   12:30
Formula One Starting Grid Presentation 12:45 – 13:15
Formula One National Anthem  12:46
Start of Formula One Formation Lap 13:00
Start of 2013 Formula 1 Hungarian Grand Prix   14:03

UK Television schedules – BST time

In addition to Sky F1’s live coverage of the Hungarian Grand Prix, the BBC is showing extended highlights of both qualifying, and the 70 lap Grand Prix. Times of the TV coverage can be seen below:

Friday 26th July

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice One: 08:45 am
Practice Two: 12.45 pm

Saturday 27th July

BBC Coverage

Qualifying at 12:55 BST on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra plus live text commentary online. TV highlights of qualifying at 17:15 on BBC One

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice Three: 09:45 am
Qualifying: 12:00 pm

Sunday 28th July

BBC Coverage

Race coverage at 13:00 BST on BBC Radio 5 live plus live text commentary online. TV highlights at 17:05 BST on BBC One

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Race: 11.30 am

Live timing and scoring is available for every session at http://www.formula1.com/ Registration is required to view live timing. If you wish to watch this Grand Prix outside the UK, please check your local listings.

Previous winners of Hungarian Grand Prix

2004 – Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2005 – Kimi Raikkonen – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2006 – Jenson Button – Honda
2007 – Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2008 – Heikki Kovalainen – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2009 – Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2010 – Mark Webber – Red Bull Renault
2011 – Jenson Button – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2012 – Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes Benz

Enjoy the Grand Prix!

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:07 pm

Terrible f1 track, good gt track and will probably be Europes last f1 round.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:55 pm

i dont think this race will be overly good need rain.....but you never know. There is other sports this weekend. Women's euro final and swimming world champs start.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:40 am

Football and swimming, I'll take f1 instead any day of the week.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:52 am

Forget football swimming and f1, spa 24 hour this weekend. Over 70 gt3 cars...
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:23 am

women's football is a decent game i only watch international comps. The swimming world champs is awesome one of the events at the olympic games no question we also got WTA series on eurosport.....aswell as the motor sport this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:57 am

Motors tv are showing a lot of spa and I assume the blancpain website.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:35 am

I’m not so sure the Hungaroring is that bad for F1. The introduction of a second DRS zone will definitely spice things up; if a driver can’t quite make a move into turn 1, they can “cut back” and use the DRS again between turns 1 and 2.

Although the vast majority of the circuit doesn’t promote overtaking, turns 1 and 2 are fairly decent passing opportunities.

I like the circuit because balance and mechanical grip are fast as important as ultimate downforce. As I saw for myself last week, a poorer car like the Marussia actually prefers faster turns because slow corners badly expose the car’s lack of grip.

The softer tyre compounds should result in high levels of tyre degradation. However, because its harder than usual to overtake, some teams may decide that track position is important than grip. The differing strategies will be very interesting on Sunday.

WTCC works well in Hungary – a bit of bumper and fender banging suits the slow turns.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:17 pm

Saying that, if the proposition of A1 Ring or Hungaroring was ever presented - I would chose the former everytime.

Despite warming to the Hungaroring in some ways, I wouldn't mind if it was ditched for the proposed New Jersey street track or a night race on the streets of Thailand.


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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:47 pm

Grosjean is at it again, one day he is going to kill someone, hopefully he kills himself before he kills someone else, he has no place in F1 because he is simply incapable of driving without causing problems.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:31 am

Its fine because you're allowed to drive into the side of people now, we saw that with Perez and Button earlier in the season. Your not allowed to overtake of the track for the time being, of course I don't expect that rule to be applied in Monza unless Grosjean is involved.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:16 am

Grosjean will be world champion within 5 years. Are we talking about the jenson incident because the pass on Massa was brilliant and the penalty was fair and yet complete bullshit, as everyone goes off there regularly and that inch wasn't advantagues at all.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:10 am

what Grosjean was doing......are we allow say the word?........i will give it ago RACING!!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:54 am

Lewis Hamilton drove a splendid motor race.

It was extremely surprising. The scorching temperatures should have seen the Mercedes chew its tyres to pieces, but the car held on relatively well. Although people are quick to identify Vettel’s laps behind Button as the reason why Vettel lost the race, Hamilton’s decision to pit two laps before Vettel for the first pitstop was critical.

Before the first pitstop, Lewis was 8 tenths behind Vettel – after Vettel completed his pitstop that grew to 2.2 seconds – before Vettel encountered Button.

The over-heating from the Red Bull was a tad strange. How many hot races have there been? We don’t usually see F1 cars excessively overheating, certainly not to the extent that the race engineer is actively telling the driver to stay out of the draft.

Red Bull’s lack of straight line speed also hurt Vettel today. Whereas Hamilton slipstream Button and get alongside him into turn 1, Vettel never got alongside Button into turn 1. With how “draggy” the Red Bull is, it’s almost like the speed benefit of DRS is off-set by the natural lack of straight line speed.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:58 am

Grosjean was very harshly treated. With regards to the contact with Button at turn 6, what exactly is the issue?
So Grosjean has the inside line to overtake, and mistakenly drifts to the left and clips Button. However, nobody got damage or lost time due to the contact. That was most certainly Grosjean’s fault; Button had his left side wheels on the grass – Button couldn’t go any further to the left. Grosjean had the inside line into the chicane – he didn’t need to edge Button over to the left.

But a penalty for that is ridiculous.

I never thought a pass around the outside of turn 4 was possible…until today. That was an absolutely stunning pass by Grosjean. The entry to turn 4 is very fast, so it’s not like the driver on the outside can out-brake the opponent. Grosjean must have had supreme confidence to carry that much speed into the corner and still make the corner. However, Massa was also very polite in that situation – he could have over-sped the entry to prevent Romain from going around the outside – it was great racing.

Unfortunately, the FIA gets themselves into all sorts of bother with their penalties. The inconsistency is very strange. Plenty of drivers had driven over the white line throughout the weekend ( including GP2 + GP3 and Porsche Supercup) and those drivers received no penalty.

Unlike those drivers, Grosjean could argue that he had to go beyond the white line to avoid contact with Massa.

If Grosjean gets a penalty for nudging Button, where is Vettel's penalty for "colliding" with Button in turn 2? Lets be fair to all drivers and peanlise them all for mere contact. This is the problem with issuing penalties for such minor contact that disadvantages nobody; one starts to ponder why other minor contact isn't equally punished....

The FIA should simply relax all driving penalties. Yes, that’s right. Just let the driver’s race and sort things out themselves – these are professional racing drivers – not 22 Maureen’s from the Driving School.

The FIA applies so many penalties that it creates precedents which are never followed. Consequently, nobody trusts the stewards and they have no credibility whatsoever.

Let the drivers dual it out with no penalties whatsoever.

Unhappy with another driver? Take the advice of Raikkonen at Monaco about Perez: "Maybe someone should punch him in the face" Laughing 

This creates excitement for the fans - will your favourite driver get smacked in the face or can they defend themselves?

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:49 am

It was a surprise that the tyres stayed together so well on the Mercedes, even compared to the previous two days. Its like they found a new operating window for the tyres in the heat today and I don't think Vettel would have been able to pass Hamilton at any point even if Button hasn't kept him behind although it might have brought other issues into play had more pressure been applied.

I had to laught at Drosbergs first lap, what a mess and then there was Webber caught napping twice in the same situation, Redbull should just replace him now and get someone interested.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - HUNGAORING   Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:20 am

Duckman wrote:
It was a surprise that the tyres stayed together so well on the Mercedes, even compared to the previous two days. Its like they found a new operating window for the tyres in the heat today and I don't think Vettel would have been able to pass Hamilton at any point even if Button hasn't kept him behind although it might have brought other issues into play had more pressure been applied.

I had to laught at Drosbergs first lap, what a mess and then there was Webber caught napping twice in the same situation, Redbull should just replace him now and get someone interested.

It was indeed surprising to see the pace that Hamilton could maintain on old tyres. On Friday, the Mercedes long-run stints looked awful, with the car sliding about a lot slower than the Red Bull and Lotus. Clean air and set-up tweaks looked to work a treat.

It is really great to see a genuine challenger to Red Bull. For the first time in a long time, this Mercedes-Benz WO4 looks to be faster than the Red Bull.

Rosberg’s opening lap was very strange. He got a great start, but ran wide in turn 3, then collided with Massa in turn 5. Rosberg simply turned into a gap which didn’t exist, Massa had every right to not yield.

The Mercedes-Benz is a more versatile car than the Red Bull. At each race, the Red Bull is amongst the slowest in the speed trap. Whilst they get mostly away with the speed deficit with epic handling, the Mercedes has superb straight-line speed and tremendous grip in the turns. The Red Bull can't have both like the Mercedes can.

Red Bull has to run shorter gear ratios and run more marginal settings to achieve this speed, whereas the Mercedes has a broader range of talents.

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