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PostSubject: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:50 am

FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2013  

A week after the drama at Silverstone, Formula 1 quickly moves onto to the Grosser Preis Santander Von Deutschland 2013 at the legendary Nurburgring. This high speed circuit hosts the ninth round of the 2013 FIA Formula 1 World Championship.





From Britain to Germany, the latter is another classic Grand Prix country that has an extensive Formula 1 history, racing on some legendary circuits such as the original Nurburgring and the original Hockenheimring.

The first German GP was held in 1926 on the AVUS track in Berlin, which illustrates the long history of this event and the GP at the Hockenheimring took place in 1970. Germany had a hero to cheer for in Michael Schumacher for years, the demand for F1 was so great that two GP’s were held in Germany between the Hockenheimring and Nurburgring. However, with F1 becoming increasingly globalised, two Grand’s Prix in one European country has become extinct.

Consequently, Hockenheim and Nurburgring now alternate the German GP. However, Germany still has much to cheer for this weekend; with a German team in the form of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix, Nico Rosberg’s recent success in the Silver Arrow, and, the reigning World Champion Sebastian Vettel.

Although the circuit is in the shadow of the Nordschleife, the Nurburgring Grand Prix layout isn’t a totally flat race track with some undulations, making for some interesting corners. With Eifel region’s notoriously unpredictable weather, this is likely to be a factor over the weekend.

German Grand Prix fast facts

-Driving direction: Clockwise
-Number of left turns: 6
-Number of right turns: 9
-Longest full throttle distance: 800 metres (12 seconds)
-Full throttle percentage of lap: 62 %
-Gear changes per lap: 58
-Maximum braking force: 5 g
-Maximum lateral G-force: 3.9 g

Overtaking opportunities

Turn 1 is the best opportunity on this circuit. It is a massive braking zone from very high speed. The cars will go through the final turn at around 78 mph, reach 185 mph before braking hard to just around 50 mph for turn 1 – a massive de-acceleration zone. This therefore makes overtaking very possible here; at the start this corner has caused many incidents due to its downhill and tight nature. A DRS zone will be placed along the pit straight, which will make overtaking even more likely along the pit straight. The detection point for this DRS zone is located on the short straight before turn 15.

The next passing opportunity comes at turn 7, the Dunlop curve. Drivers power down the hill to around 180 mph and brake to approximately 68 mph this corner. Overtaking is difficult at this corner, therefore the driver behind needs to be significantly faster to pass. After this, the cars go flat out through the Schumacher S and reach 180 mph before Kumho curve, turn 10. The entry to the corner itself is fairly fast, which means there isn’t much scope for a dandier passing manoeuvre into this corner. After the banked corners of turns 10 and 11, the cars go flat out at turn 12 at 180 mph and then brake hard for turn 13 to just 60 mph. This represents a decent passing opportunity due to the large braking zone, plus, from turn 11 the DRS activation zone runs until the cars start braking for turn 13.

What to watch for

Unpredictable weather. The Eifel region has notoriously unpredictable weather, sometimes it is gloriously hot and sunny, other times it can be very wet and dull. This unpredictability was perfectly demonstrated by the 2007 European Grand Prix held at the Nurburgring, where the race started off dry, then torrential rain lashed the track, most drivers pitted for intermediate’s, but nearly everybody underestimated the rain, several drivers went off including Hamiton, creating an expensive car park at turn 1 – Scott Speed managed to almost hit the safety car while spinning out of control. The conditions were so hazardous that the race was stopped until the rain eased off. The 2009 qualifying session at this track was also rain-affected, reinforcing the potential for the weather to disrupt proceedings.


Car requirements

Nurburgring is a high downforce track with the circuit being dominated by slow and medium speed corners, requiring good rear end stability under braking, and, the least amount of wheelspin as possible under acceleration.

Tyre selections

Pirelli will bring their Medium and Hard compound P Zero tyres to Germany. The graphic below shows Pirelli’s 2013 range of P Zero tyres:



Video footage

Here is a flying lap of this Nurburgring circuit with Lewis Hamilton, driving his McLaren-Mercedes Benz MP4-22 during the 2007 European Grand Prix:



Weekend schedule in UK time:

Thursday 05 July 2013

Friday Practice 1 10:00 – 11:30
Friday Practice 2 14:00 – 15:30

Sat 06 July 2013

Saturday Practice 10:00 – 11:00
Qualifying 13:00

Sun 07 July 2013

Start of Formation Lap 13:00
2013 German Grand Prix Race Start 13:03

Full weekend schedule in local time

Thursday 4th July:

Formula One Press Conference - Press Room   15:00
Public Pit Lane Walk for 3 Day Ticket Holders  15:10 – 17:00
Prize Winners – Circuit Tours  15:30 – 17:00
Prize Winners – Fast Laps  17:00 – 18:30

Friday 5th July:

Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   08:45 – 09:45
Formula One Practice 1   10:00 – 11:30
GP2 Practice Session  12:00 – 12:30
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   12:35 – 13:45
Formula One Practice 2   14:00 – 15:30
GP2 Qualifying Session  15:55 – 16:25
Formula One Press Conference - Press Room   16:00 – 17:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup  16:45 – 17:30
GP3 Practice Session  17:50 – 18:35



Saturday  6th July

Formula One Pit Stop Practice   08:30 – 09:15
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   08:30 – 09:35
GP3 Qualifying Session   09:45 – 10:15
Formula One Practice 3   11:00 – 12:00
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Qualifying Session  12:25 – 12:55
Formula Paddock Club Pit Walk   13:00 – 13:45
Formula One Qualifying   13:00
GP2 First Race (34 laps or 60 mins)  15:40 – 16:45
GP3 First Race (15 Laps or 30 mins)  17:20 – 17:55

Sunday 7th July

GP3 First Race (15 Laps or 30 mins)  09:25 – 10:00
GP2 Second Race (24 laps or 60 mins)  10:35 – 11:25
Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Race (13 laps or 30 mins)  11:45 – 12:20
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Walk   12:25 – 13:15
Formula One Drivers Parade   12:30
Formula One Starting Grid Presentation 12:45 – 13:15
Formula One National Anthem  12:46
Start of Formula One Formation Lap 13:00
Start of 2013 Formula 1 German Grand Prix   14:03

UK Television schedules – BST time

In addition to Sky F1’s live coverage of the German Grand Prix, the BBC is showing extended highlights of both qualifying, and the 78 lap Grand Prix. Times of the TV coverage can be seen below:

Thursday 5th July

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice One: 08:45 am
Practice Two: 12.45 pm

Saturday 6th July

BBC Coverage

Qualifying: 12:55-14:05 BBC Radio 5 live sports extra & BBC Sport website, TV highlights 17:55-19:10 BBC One

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice Three: 09:45 am
Qualifying: 12:00 pm

Sunday 7th July

BBC Coverage

Grand Prix live: 12:45-15:30 BBC Radio 5 live sports extra & BBC Sport website, TV highlights 18:00-19:30 BBC One

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Race: 11.30 am

Live timing and scoring is available for every session at http://www.formula1.com/ Registration is required to view live timing. If you wish to watch this Grand Prix outside the UK, please check your local listings.


Previous winners of German Grand Prix

2004 – Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2005 – Fernando Alonso – Renault
2006 – Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2008 – Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2009 – Mark Webber – Red Bull-Renault
2010 – Fernando Alonso – Ferrari
2011 – Lewis Hamilton – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2012 – Fernando Alonso – Ferrari

Enjoy the Grand Prix!

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:07 am

Funny about the tyre swapping being banned, all that data from the illegal testing now worthless.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:22 pm

It does seem that the teams have been running unapproved tyre pressures and higher camber levels. This means that the teams do have questions to answer.

However, haven’t teams always used lower tyre pressures and generally used extreme settings to seek out time? The teams must have deployed similar tactics with the Bridgestone tyres, and they didn’t fail for these reasons.

Frankly, Pirelli have known about tyre blow-outs for some time. They wanted to change the tyres, but always insisted that the change was not due to safety concerns. Basically, if Pirelli argued for the change based upon safety – teams have no say in it. Essentially, Pirelli should have been more open about the problems they identified.

Nurburgring should be okay on tyres. The fast Schumacher S corners are the only turns that will significantly load the tyres.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:41 pm

If this was the real world and not a fantasy land Pirelli would be well within there rights to claim compensation from the teams who haven't been using the tyres within the guidelines Pirelli specified.


On another note, who will be the tyre supplier for next year? There's no contract yet and seemingly know one interested in taking it up?
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:42 am

Yes indeed. With passenger car tyres, the tyre manufacturer specifies recommended tyre pressures. However, just like road tyres – tyres will not blow out if they are slightly under or over inflated. There should be enough strength in the tyre to not blow out.

F1 teams have been running unauthorised tyre settings for many years. It is sort of an unofficial tactic that Pirelli need to adapt to. Pirelli have been supplying tyres since 2011, and teams have been running the same extreme settings, yet there have not been tyre blow-outs until Silverstone last week.

The Silverstone blow-outs highlight the need for regular tyre testing. F1 cars are constantly changing with new innovations, more downforce, different aero etc - Pirelli needs to know how to adapt their tyres to F1 technical developments. As it stood, Pirelli were only allowed to test a car from two years ago. Considering that Pirelli have been using old cars to base tyre decisions for 2013 cars, they have done an excellent job.

Pirelli will probably stay in Formula 1. They have indicated that they would like to stay.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:57 am

I know someone who had a blow out on a road tyre just a couple of weeks ago. It was slightly over inflated.

In season Testing should never have gone away.

Will Pirelli stay, there being slated at every turned and must be losing sales because of there f1 involvement. If they continue if expect the tyres to say Pirelli on the side but if you scrapped that away there might Bridgestone written underneath.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:59 am

On another note I think it made the race more interesting. Never knowing if a tyre was going to blow or not right until the end. I think you should get on the phone to bernie, make sure tyres deflate every week.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:02 am

Boycott?

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:53 pm

Button stated yesterday that McLaren abided by Pirelli’s tyre pressure and camber recommendations. However, Perez had two tyres that disintegrated last weekend. I am sure that some teams use extreme settings to gain time, but it isn’t the only answer.

It was very interesting to hear Paul Hembry’s comments yesterday. He said that the cars have been getting progressively faster, but because they’ve been unable to test tyres on the latest cars, Pirelli don’t exactly know which tyres to produce.

Silverstone saw a pole time faster than the pole time set in 2010 and 2011, and this is without the full exhaust blown diffuser. Cars have been gaining cornering speed, but how would Pirelli know when they can only use old F1 cars to tyre test?

The NASCAR approach is very good, and it is what Mercedes did at Barcelona. Goodyear has a number of tyre tests during a season on actual tracks with current cars and teams. However, it doesn’t mean that those teams which tyre tested have an advantage at the next race. A broad range of teams and drivers are selected to ensure a degree of fairness.

It is true that Pirelli have been receiving a lot of flak and negative publicity. Pirelli is in the strange situation of being requested to make tyres which don’t last, which is counter-intuitive of the message they would like to convey to customers.

However, Formula 1 is still an immense global marketing platform. It is the only motorsport series with a truly global presence and has TV audience figures to rival other more “mainstream” sports.

There are rumours that Jean Todt wants Michelin to be F1’s tyre supplier, and that is a proposition that Michelin themselves haven’t discounted.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:28 pm

This global marketing platform is stopping people buying pirelli's. it's happening.

Why would Michelin want to do it , there whole ethos is racing and beating other manufacters.


What would be best for f1 is no supplier wants to do it. Then leave the teams to make there own deals.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:03 am

But where is the actual evidence of people stopping buying Pirelli tyres?

Because Michelin gets worldwide exposure that no other form of motorsport can offer. Michelin has never stated a specific “ethos”, they care about exposure and publicity. “Ethos” doesn’t result in cold hard results or cash.

WEC is great, but barley anybody knows about it. That is a reality that people have to confront.

Individual tyre deals would be disastrous. It is easy to forget how wasteful F1’s open tyre formula became. Masses amounts of money poured into pointless tyre development, 120 different compounds per supplier, favouritism from tyre manufacturers (Ferrari v Jordan a classic case in point) and additional testing.

Even in WEC, the number of tyre suppliers has significantly diminished. Slowly but surely, even the advocates of an open tyre formula are seeing the immense waste created.

F1 is now finely poised between teams. If there was an open tyre formula, a few select teams would be far ahead based upon tyres.

Open tyre formula? More like open tyre failure.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:12 am

Will check the highlights lots of things on with tennis and that! Still haven't seen silverstone......
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:45 am

It is amazing to see the laptimes of the 2013 cars.

Hamilton set a 1:29.398, Schumacher’s lap record was 1:29.468.

To put this into perspective, the current cars have two less cylinders, about a 100 bhp less and no traction control like Schumacher’s car was equipped with. It is quite staggering.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:08 am

They've got traction control and not the webber video, they wouldn't be good at the jobs if the didn't.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:01 am

I believe that the teams have developed very good wheelspin prevention measures that make them look like they have traction control. Deliberately running on 4 cylinders in tight corners is a case in point.

Today’s Grand Prix was very interesting, and very telling in many ways.

Ferrari have definitely lost pace compared to some early Grand’ Prix. In theory, the conditions should have suited the Ferrari. It was hot and slick, and tyre degradation was worse than expected. Still, however, Alonso could not challenge for the podium, let alone the win.

Ferrari needs more aerodynamic developments ASAP to keep on terms with Red Bull and now Mercedes-Benz.
My real surprise was Lotus. The hotter temperatures most certainly helped Raikkonen and Grosjean. Starting on the harder tyre worked beautifully for Grosjean, and he was a real threat to Vettel for the lead. It was really good to see Romain drive an error-free race, but also a very fast race.

I do wonder if Lotus made a mistake by Raikkonen for a third time. Raikkonen seemed comfortable on those tyres, and Vettel was being held up in traffic which naturally chews up tyres. Raikkonen won the Australian GP by making fewer pitstops than Alonso and Vettel, the opportunity was certainly there.

It does seem that the Mercedes prefers front-tyre limited circuits to rear tyre limited circuits. This is why the Mercedes wasn’t very competitive in the race. Saying that, overtaking seemed difficult and both Hamilton and Rosberg were badly held up by traffic, so neither driver had much clean air. If Lewis had retained the lead into turn 1, it would have been interesting to see how the Mercedes would have performed in clean air.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:00 am

Not a bad race, it was good to see Grosjean performing well and Lotus in general. Its not clear what happened to Massa but he has been driving well lately so to lose him early was a shame. Vettel had another text book win really. I never expected the Ferraris to challenge for the win on that strategy, those softs from last year often work in the warmer conditions. Mercedes couldn't use the 2012 rubber very well in the race, probably the last time they have to use it though so no need to go tesing I wouldn't of thought but maybe if they fancy it, theres no harm.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2013 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - NURBURGRING   Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:58 pm

I would be rather concerned if I was Ferrari. Yesterday’s hot conditions and high tyre degradation should have suited them very well – but it didn’t. No matter what the tyre strategy, the car was uncompetitive all weekend. Alonso can sometimes work miracles, but there are limits.

Massa’s spin was quite bizarre. It looked like he locked the rear wheels on a downshift, and the rear suddenly stepped out. It’s easy for me to say, but that was an unacceptable mistake from a driver so experienced….on the basis that it was Massa’s fault and not a car issue.

It was simply superb to see a Safety Car period, two races in a row featuring Safety Car deployments is very thrilling. Once Bianchi’s car was left near the track after the engine exploded, the Safety Car should have been immediately deployed. The car was too close to the racing line for marshals to be clearing up the mess.

You can always rely on Mercedes-Benz products in moments of danger and when safety is required – pioneers in Safety devices. The SLS AMG was a great Safety Car yesterday.

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