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PostSubject: Tyre Testing   Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:18 pm

Mercedes will face an investigation from the FIA's International Tribunal regarding its recent secret tyre test with Pirelli, while Ferrari has been cleared for its test with a 2011 car.

The Mercedes test at Barcelona was referred to the stewards of the Monaco Grand Prix when Red Bull and Ferrari lodged a protest on that weekend.

The FIA had been waiting for a report from the Monaco stewards before deciding if Mercedes had a case to answer, and it has decided to pass the matter on to the International Tribunal.

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The sport's governing body explained that it requested information from those involved and rival teams before coming to its conclusion.

Ferrari's own test with Pirelli, conducted at Barcelona in April with a 2011 car, was deemed not to breach the rules.

An FIA statement said: "In the light of all the replies received and in view of the information gathered during this inquiry, the president of the FIA, acting as the FIA prosecuting body, has decided:

"To close the case as regard to Scuderia Ferrari Team considering that its participation in a tyre test organised by Pirelli in Barcelona on 23-24 April 2013 using for this purpose a 2011 car is not deemed to contravene the applicable FIA rules.

IS THIS ALL HAPPERNING BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DON'T WANT MERCEDES TO BE WINNERS
"To bring the case concerning the tyre testing session carried out by Pirelli and Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 in Barcelona on 15-17 May 2013 before the FIA International Tribunal because it results from the inquiry that the conditions of this testing may constitute a breach of the applicable FIA rules.

"The FIA International Tribunal is called upon to make a decision in compliance with the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules."

THE FULL STATEMENT FROM THE FIA

The Monaco Grand Prix Stewards raised in their report to the FIA an issue concerning a tyre testing session carried out by Pirelli with the participation of Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 in Barcelona on 15-17 May 2013[1].

The FIA requested clarifications from Pirelli and Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 in this respect.

The FIA also asked questions to Scuderia Ferrari Team, which took part in a tyre test with Pirelli in Barcelona on 23-24 April 2013.

The FIA requested all the other F1 Teams to provide the FIA with information they may have regarding any tests carried out by Pirelli during the 2013 season.

In the light of all the replies received and in view of the information gathered during this inquiry, the President of the FIA, acting as the FIA prosecuting body, has decided:

* To close the case as regard to Scuderia Ferrari Team considering that its participation in a tyre test organized by Pirelli in Barcelona on 23-24 April 2013 using for this purpose a 2011 car is not deemed to contravene the applicable FIA rules.

* To bring the case concerning the tyre testing session carried out by Pirelli and Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 in Barcelona on 15-17 May 2013 before the FIA International Tribunal because it results from the inquiry that the conditions of this testing may constitute a breach of the applicable FIA rules.

The FIA International Tribunal is called upon to make a decision in compliance with the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules.

[1] The Stewards' report follows the protests made by Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Ferrari Team on the occasion of the Monaco Grand Prix against Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 concerning its participation in the Barcelona tests (15-17 May 2013).











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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:20 am

Open and shut case for Mercedes, tested this seasons car outside the testing window. A race ban will open the door to in season testing to all teams not currently finishing in the points. Take Williams for example, would they rather go testing right now than be on their way to Canada and have the possibily of turning up at Silverstone with a car that can score points? Of course they would, the only way to stop teams ignoring the testing ban is to exclude the Mercedes team entirely for this season. Shouldn't be surprised by Ross Brawn by now.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:43 am

The premium-nature and classiness of Mercedes-Benz as a brand should mean that Mercedes receive no sanction whatsoever.

Even if Mercedes did break the rules, this doesn’t matter – such a prestigious brand shouldn’t be peanlised.

Red Bull should be peanlised for having a more down-market brand.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:12 am

Mercedes should be supplying engines and doing sportscar racing. Manufacters having no good reason to be in f1.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:32 pm

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
Mercedes should be supplying engines and doing sportscar racing. Manufacters having no good reason to be in f1.
lol! lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:57 pm

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
Mercedes should be supplying engines and doing sportscar racing. Manufacters having no good reason to be in f1.

But what do you define as “sportscar racing”, or is that glorified LMP1 cars which are essentially single seaters with extra bodywork?

Mercedes-Benz is doing great with the SLS GT3 – that is a REAL sportscar. Mercedes just won the Nurburgring 24 Hours; the most demanding sportscar racing in the world - Merc well covered in actual sportscars.

F1 is worth participating in just for the publicity. Mercedes needs mass coverage out of motorsport participation – something that LMP1 doesn’t have. Only motorsport geeks know about WEC.

My colleagues at work know about F1. They are merely casual viewers, but they have no clue what WEC is. Mercedes sells car to wide audiences, hence why F1 makes sense.

WEC could be the greatest series in the entire world (not really: diesel, traction control, underpowered) – but it’s pointless because the series is so unknown.

Plus, as the Brixworth engine plant is currently discovering, the V6 engines will become a whole lot more “relevant” to the downsizing, alternate power trend in the car industry.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:03 pm

And they should concentrate on the sls gt3.

F1 is for engine manufacters and garagists. If a major manufacter can't come in and win it isn't good for there image, is it?
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:03 pm

Daimler has such vast revenues, profits and R&D resource, they can easily afford the Formula 1 and the SLS GT3 programme.

I do agree to an extent. When Mercedes-Benz was powered all those McLaren victories and championships, they got significant brand recognition for the success because the car was covered in Mercedes logo's and lettering...despite only being an engine supplier. In essence, it was a Mercedes-Benz product but without the excess cost of developing the entire car.

However as I said, Mercedes is an automotive giant and it participates in the healthier parts of the passenger car market. Luxury car sales are booming, and Daimler's strong presence in other markets means the F1 investment is actually pretty small.

I know, is £120 million + a year a small amount of money? Ordinarily, no - but it is when you have the sales, profit and broad risk that Daimler enjoys.

F1 works well for Daimler, because F1 cars are essentially moving advertisements, and F1 visits the key markets which are growing

As a result of Formula 1 entering emerging markets in a proactive manner, the sport now has presence in these markets.

People bitch about F1 races in China, India etc, but these are the markets which are growing and car manufacturers and global businesses want presence in. Europe is very romantic ("ohh, lets have more races in Europe?"), but Europe is sick and car makers like Mercedes have been focusing on the east a long time ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:14 am

So it was the young drivers who caused this mess, well at least now they have been dealt with. This should teach them a leason.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:24 am

In seasons testing is legal again then, they could have thrown the book at Mercedes and didn't. 

If this is testing back that's a good thing, cheap and f1 don't mix you might as well let them go mad.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:04 am

Yes I'm glad testing is back, the ban has only made the strong faster and the weak slower. Its amazing how many times Brawn has got a away with clearly breaking the rules, he must have a lot of dirt on a lot of people.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:01 am

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:


If this is testing back that's a good thing, cheap and f1 don't mix you might as well let them go mad.

I agree! 100%
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:10 pm

I think the FIA decision is the right one.

The FIA’s ruling essentially confirms that they made a mistake. Charlie Whiting and other FIA representatives seemed to approve the Pirelli test.

 It is for this reason that the governing body must accept responsibility for the situation. FIA should know their rules before giving out advice. They gave shoddy advice in the first place, so they shouldn’t be surprised if their own rules are broken.


Personally, Mercedes should have received no penalty whatsoever. The FIA have confirmed that their clarification was fundamentally flawed; that isn't Mercedes or Pirelli's fault - the FIA should and have taken responsibility for poor procedures and regulation advice. 

For equality, Ferrari should also be investigated for testing Pirelli tyres.

This suggests that the FIA are not pleased with Whiting: 
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Indeed, even in regards to Ferrari's 2012 and 2013 tests, the tribunal noted that "it would appear to be equally unsatisfactory that this consent was also given by Charlie Whiting".

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/22058/8788413/What-we-learnt-from-the-International-Tribunal-hearing-into-Testgate
 
Red Bull is a tad hypocritical in this. They seemed intent on getting Mercedes peanlised, but are content at Ferrari’s test? Could it be that Red Bull is scared of Ferrari, and they woudn’t dare protest against Ferrari?

There should be more testing, but it should not be unlimited. 3 team tests during the season would be reasonable time, without allowing costs to spiral out of control. Mind you, if there are 21 Grands Prix in 2014 – teams might struggle to actually test…
 

 

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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:48 am

I had a laugh seeing Max on the f1 show, implying if he was still in charge Mercedes would have been more seriously dealt with. Does he think wwe have that short memory, Brawn was caught with his pants down several times when he was in charge and yet most of the time they didn't even find them guilty. At least that much has changed, a team that clearly tryed to cheat got named, shamed and forced to dirty themselves further by rolling out transparent lies in a tribunal for all the world to hear.
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PostSubject: Re: Tyre Testing   Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:28 pm

If anything this tribunal has shown a lack of communication that hasn't really been dealt with, and also the lengths that certain people will go to get what they want under the current testing restrictions.
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