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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:15 am

Europe has been a big part of indycars audience and they've thrown that away this year. Open wheel racing with be gone in the us by 2020.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:12 pm

Has it? I suspect that like the UK, only the keenest motorsport fans watch IndyCar in Europe – that audience is irrelevant as IndyCar’s fate will be decided by the North American audience, not tiny European audiences.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:54 pm

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Has it? I suspect that like the UK, only the keenest motorsport fans watch IndyCar in Europe – that audience is irrelevant as IndyCar’s fate will be decided by the North American audience, not tiny European audiences.

With champcar the audience was about 50/50. I don't believe it's quite so high now but with so many Europeans in the series it still got good audiences. On (what channel was it on in the us?) a .2 rating was a big one that's only a couple of hundred homes. Ndy got a bigger audience and so did the other races in abc.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:38 am

Again, really? I seriously doubt that Champ Car had 50 % of viewers from Europe, I don't have the information to quantify that - but I don't see that being likely.

What is also meant by 'good audiences'?

NBC IndyCar ratings are sluggish because of NBC, but ABC races are surprisingly well watched considering the struggles of IndyCar. The Indy 500 and the Texas race at night will be very well-viewed. Now, it's a question of getting more prime-time events and putting more races on ABC.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:52 am

It was Europe wide on Europe with lots of European drivers plus the European audience does likes its open wheel racing. From 2000 to its death I'd say 50/50 was quite accurate. Champcar in 1995 and 1996 was starting to (starting to being key, another five years and maybe but it never truely got that close) become a threat to f1. It was that big.

It's NBC now but what was it? Anyway they were doing a couple of hundred thousand a race a the uk wasn't for behind. It might be nbc's fault be Europe and the uk watched indycar. The joint event at mid Ohio with alms they sold Sunday or weekend tickets.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:57 pm

I’d say that CART’s real peak was in the early 90’s, 1995 and 1996 saw the series start to tail off and NASCAR gain momentum. CART was still very popular the latter years of the 90’s, but it almost started to rival F1 around the time that Mansell started driving
Even with Champ Car struggling until its death until 2007, the North American audience was still by far the most important audience – the Canadian’s particularly liked it with the number of Canadian races and drivers.

IndyCar used to be broadcasted on ABC for every race – I wish it still was. ABC isn’t the most passionate broadcaster, but in terms of mass viewing ratings – its IndyCar’s only realistic option.

I agree that double-header weekends with ALMS was and still is a very successful formula. Hopefully that continues or even proliferates with the united sports car series…


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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:05 pm

IndyCar returns this weekend for the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. The Californian street circuit marks the third round of the 2013 IndyCar season. The race starts at about 22:00 pm UK time.

Dario Franchitti has secured pole position, with Hunter-Reay in second and Will Power in third: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-franchitti-storms-to-long-beach-pole/

Franchitti desperately needs something good to happen, with a pair of 25-place finishes in the first two races. It is good to see Honda fighting back as well, because the Chevrolet engine has looked better on road courses so far in 2013.

Ryan Hunter-Reay just keeps on impressing. I hope that AJ Allmendinger can finish well too.

Check out some very strange incidents in practice, if this is any indication of the race, it’s gonna be messy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d7Ck_v_cAPc#t=24s



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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:04 am

This has been a very eventful race so far. It’s under caution for Ryan Hunter-Reay crashing into the tyres, he never usually crashes – so it’s a shame. Hinchcliffe stupidly took himself out of the race on a restart in turn 1, sticking his nose where he was never going to pass. This race is biting drivers who usually don’t crash.

Four caution’s already, there has been a lot of accidents. Very exciting.

Sato might win this, he’s been driving brilliantly.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon May 06, 2013 6:40 am

Wow, what a finish, its rare even on a an oval to have four cars battle for the lead in the last 10 laps. It needed a good ending really because the rest of the race never got going, Hinchcliffe made some great moves though and deserved that win. I thought Sato pushed the limits defending, the last move may have been a little late but another good drive from him.

The standings are now interesting, certainly not what I would have predicted: http://www.crash.net/indycar/championship_tables/content.html

Dispite Darios slow start he seems to be getting back to the pace now and isn't that far behind. Powers had a lot of problems and Helio seems to have reverted to being an idiot from his early season form. Hunter-Reay has been quick but also has had a few knocks much like Dixon, I wonder if they should take the target of his car, the other drivers seem to take it literally. No one has really mannaged to get a run going so far, its very open now going to the ovals.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon May 06, 2013 8:44 am

It was an extraordinary race, wasn’t it?

For a long street circuit, it was good to see cars staying close to each other. At other street circuits the field spread is more significant.

The finish was more like an oval finish. It doesn’t get better than having a three-way dual for the victory.

Hinchcliffe did indeed drive brilliantly all the way through. In Sao Paulo, it seems that if a driver wants a shot at the victory, they need to survive those crazy restarts. Hinchcliffe kept his nose clean where others were too optimistic into turn 1.

Sato’s weaving was indeed too excessive. I don’t mind blocking the inside, as its clear which route you’re choosing. You’re choosing to defend. However, Sato initially didn’t block, but only blocked at a stage where Hinchcliffe had to get out off the throttle. After weaving to the inside, Sato would then dart back to the middle of the track. Mirror driving is rather dangerous with open wheel cars.

Sato’s tactics present a problem for IndyCar. Until a few years ago, blocking was banned in IndyCar. Drivers are now allowed to defend, but not deviate in different directions. Last year in Texas, Power was given a penalty for similarly chopping-off Kanaan. Helio lost a win at Detroit for blocking Justin Wilson.

I suspect every driver who now gets a blocking penalty will use Brazil as an example of inconsistency.

You are right; no driver is currently dominating at the end. Every driver has had misfortune to varying degrees. Franchitti, Ganassi and Honda all seem to be improving after a slow start. Dario’s performance in Brazil show’s they are mastering the road course, but I believe their real strength will come on oval’s.

Marco Andretti's second position in the champion just illustrates the lack of consistency from the regular front-runners. Andretti hasn't won a race, but hasn't wrecked or had technical problems.

As we head into the Indianapolis 500, hasn’t the season been truly superb so far? Every race has been exciting, and we haven’t even had the Indy 500 yet – or the super-great Pocono track…


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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon May 06, 2013 11:56 pm

couldnt see it!

i might see if full race is online. not seen any races this season.

If sato blocking was as bad as people make out it was. then it should of been called. I remember Helio the blocking call. if your not keep rules fair then......

good to see marco in 2nd. I bet sato will throw away his championship lead. classic sato.

will probably try and see if can watch the 500
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 07, 2013 2:02 am

Helio also got a penalty for blocking Dixon at Edmonton a few years ago. Personally I don’t like penalties, but there has to be consistency. Helio was racing for the win and slightly deviated, but got peanlised.

Sato’s blocking was excessive to the extent that if Hinchcliffe hadn’t of backed out; he would have been in the wall.

If Sato wanted to block, fair play, he should have picked a lane to block – don’t literally mirror drive and react to every way that your competitor tries to pass.

I like the way that Sato goes for positions, but he arguably lost the Indy 500 due to his erratic nature. There is a point where he sees red-mist and pretends like he's in a stock car.



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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 07, 2013 2:32 am

haven't seen what the sato block but helio deserved that penalty. The rules then said no blocking. now there a bit more open.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 07, 2013 6:14 pm

That is true, Helio was peanlised at both Edmonton and Detroit because it was then stated that no blocking move was allowed.
Nevertheless, if one was to compare Helio’s slight block to Sato’s driving, which literally entailed the latter running Hinchcliffe into the wall – then it is still surprising to see no penalty given.

Sato deviated from his line all over the place; blocking only when Hinchcliffe tried to pass on the inside, then he darted back towards the racing line under braking. The rules supposedly don’t allow for changing your line.

Bah, this is the whole problem of having such vague and ambiguous rules. However, rules or no rules – Sato’s weaving and blocking was too extreme.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 07, 2013 9:39 pm

That does sound like blocking to me.

I've notice that type of blocking and the coming back towards the racing line going on in f1 and gp2 and wec this year. It's wrong very wrong. Penalties for sago.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Sun May 19, 2013 4:53 am

Looking at these practice speeds just reminds me why the Indianapolis 500 is motorsport's most spectacular and special event. Viso ran a lap of 228 mph - and hit 229 mph at a peak.

The speeds are superb. The DW12 has made superspeedway racing great again.


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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon May 27, 2013 10:53 am

Seeing Tony Kanaan win the Indianapolis 500 was so special.

They officially call them single-file restarts, but they were three-wide into turn 1 on restarts! A three-wide dive is how Kanaan got the lead; a lead he wouldn't give up.

Watching the race was just scintillating. To have 68 lead changes was amazing. Hunter-Reay clocked 235 mph....with the turbo boost turned down! If they had ran the qualifying level of boost....

AJ Allmendinger drove brilliantly. It was his first time in the Indy 500, but he was leading the race for a number of laps.

Indianapolis 500 - so magical.


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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon May 27, 2013 11:31 pm

i didn't see anything think of it. I had indy car radio on but my computer kept shuting down. after the 2nd time. i give up and followed it on twitter.

But i couldn't think of anyone better winning indy 500. nice one TK
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 28, 2013 4:57 am

Its was an interesting race, the chevys generally seemed stronger than the Hondas but the whole field was still close. Lots of good performances in the top ten runners, Munoz in particular to come in and get second.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Tue May 28, 2013 9:16 am

Honda really must be embarrassed now. Perhaps the Honda cars would have bounced back on an oval? Nope.

It seems that the Honda unit not only lacks power, illustrated by Honda cars being nowhere on the straightaways on Sunday, but it lacks the drivability of the Chevrolet unit that is required on road courses.

Munez drove very well on Sunday, he almost won the race like his fellow Colombian Montoya on his first attempt.

Secretly, I reckon NASCAR is paying close attention to the amazing draft of these DW12's. The IndyCar drafts so much better than NASCAR's Gen-6 car on superspeedway's.

DW12 superspeedway racing is simply mega - it takes my breath away with the speeds. Apart from dragster's - you won't find faster in motor racing.



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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Wed May 29, 2013 1:07 am

rahal is having a spat over pippa. because of the fine he got and he should of started behind her.....all childish really
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Fri May 31, 2013 9:46 am

Rahal seems to spend too much time on Twitter bitching about other drivers. Last year, he mouthed-off about colliding with Marco at Long Beach, and he also made a slur against Mario at the same time.

Rahal impressively won his first ever IndyCar race, but what has he done since then? He has been invisible since 2008.

JR Hilderbrand has been ditched for Ryan Briscoe at Panther for Detroit, Servia will take over from Texas onwards: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-hildebrand-out-at-panther/

This weekend sees IndyCar race at the modified Bell Isle Detroit street course for the Chevrolet Indy Dual in Detroit.
There will be two races on Saturday and Sunday respectively.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:05 pm

The reconfigured Belle Isle course has been a revolution. Yesterday, IndyCar completed its first race – race two later today.

After turns 1 and 2, the cars no longer turn right immediately after turn 2. They now enter a long back straightaway into a 90 degree right hander. The results were clear to see; cars were racing on the straightaway and passing into turn 3, and even “crossing over” into turn 4.

Something has happened to IndyCar this season. I love all motorsport – but IndyCar is putting on the best show of all.

Yesterday proved that nobody is dominating the series yet. There have been no wins for Penske or Ganassi yet, it was Dale Coyne Racing and Mike Conway who won yesterday's race.

Eurosport should get IndyCar TV rights – the series is too good to be hidden away on ESPN.

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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:19 am

Forgot they were racing on Saturday and only caught the last three laps by chance, Conway had a blinder by the look of it which is very nice. Dario and Helio were having a good battle as were Dixon and Wilson so I hope to catch race two this evening and the prevous races are all up on youtube so I might watch the whole of the first race later in the week.
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PostSubject: Re: IndyCar 2013 race thread   Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:51 am

Could this race two be any messier? Lap 23…and already 6 caution periods.

Some drivers are clearly driving into these turns with no intention of passing cleanly.

Will Power just called Bourdais a “chump” on TV, does this guy have any respect?

It’s a riot on the streets! Laughing

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