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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:44 am

Not sure why the Beeb didb’t do this already, but when they show live Grand Prix weekends, practice sessions will be on BBC 2 and regular TV: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21682493


Good – no point of hiding practice behind the red button.

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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:17 am

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Not sure why the Beeb didb’t do this already, but when they show live Grand Prix weekends, practice sessions will be on BBC 2 and regular TV: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21682493


Good – no point of hiding practice behind the red button.

Makes more sense, especially if the red button decides to 'pull a sickie', or people don't have access to it.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:45 pm

from Jake Humphrey ‏on twitter

Jake Humphrey ‏@mrjakehumphrey wrote:
MNy people ask how BBC/SKY compare, well via @TVRatingsUK this is The Malaysian GP...

BBC - 4.01m (peak 4.66m)
SKY - 722k (peak 1.35m)

that is quite interesting. you would think more people would want to see it live
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:56 pm

Its too expensive to watch it live.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:21 am

Malaysia appears to have been a very well-watched Grand Prix, below are comparable viewing figures of the Malaysian GP from previous years:

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2006 – 3.39 million
- 2007 – 2.84 million
- 2008 – 3.51 million
- 2009 – 4.36 million
- 2010 – 4.37 million
- 2011 – 4.47 million
- 2012 – 3.68 million/4.00 million (using “35.1 percent theory“)
- 2013 – 4.73 million/4.95 million (using Sky figures from only 07:00 to 10:15)

http://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/analysis-malaysian-grand-prix-ratings-soar-to-record-highs/

I’m not surprised that the BBC is still out-viewing Sky. As long as the BBC keeps on showing decent race highlights and still broadcasts live Grands Prix, there is little incentive for many fans to buy Sky. Also, the 'highlight' programmes show almost all of qualifying and the race, so if people can wait, they won't feel that short-changed.

The BBC will always be more accessible and viewable than Sky will.

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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:14 pm

All the fuss over someone overtaking another ? WHY , years ago can you remember when FERRARI let each other pass near the end of the race due to team orders, and that team order was disallowed, SO what the difference on Sunday that was team orders, should that not be disallowed.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:41 pm

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All the fuss over someone overtaking another ? WHY , years ago can you remember when FERRARI let each other pass near the end of the race due to team orders, and that team order was disallowed, SO what the difference on Sunday that was team orders, should that not be disallowed.

There wasn't any overtaking according to the team orders. It's that Vettel is a disobedient little shit that won't do what he's told that made it interesting.

Rosberg was whingeing a lot as well.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:27 am

Don't think there would of been an issue with what Vettel did! If red bull let them race! And if webber didn't hold position behind Vettel! I remember Vettel saying be smart over the radio!
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:13 am

I can understand why the management wanted both drivers to stop racing. Friday practice showed terrible tyre wear and degradation, and considering they lost the Australian GP over wearing out the tyres too quickly, they were worried about having no tyres at the end.

It turned out that degredation actually wasn’t that bad on Sunday, but the team didn’t know that, they were being cautious based upon Friday practice. In all motorsports, there is a time to race hard and a time to back off.

The most puzzling aspect, is how lenient Webber was into turn 4. He practically allowed Vettel past; he should have shoved Vettel onto the astro turf. Webber was rightly defensive before that, blocking Vettel very nicely. He then rolled over and gave the position - that didn't make sense.

It wasn’t really a ‘race’, when one car was using more engine revs than the other car.

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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:12 am

I didn't watch the race live because I prefer the BBC coverage, I will try to catch the sky repeat though because somw things are a little unclear. During the race there seemed to be a bit of confusion about the battle between the tow drivers but nothing that suggested there be this kind of backlash. The segment at the end of the show where Perry and DC were talking seemed to prompt the drama, I wonder how long after the race that was recorded because I certainly didn't fill short changed after that race. It was as though they thought we might have missed some aspect of the race and added that in to try to convey the feeling of disapointment, it came across as very flase and DC looked uncomfortable, although that could be due to his ties with Redbull.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:07 am

Didn't DC and Webber have some sort of team orders one race that split them apart for a while?

Also, DC played as number two so much and was criticised for it a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:45 am

There was this http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/07/10/webber-red-bulls-order-pass-vettel/

If the final quote is true than he hasn't got much to complain about at all has he.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:50 pm

No f1 team lets there cars race after the final pitstops especially if there one two in the race because the chance of an accident is so high. Actually webber was very responsible not just driving into vettel.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:17 am

I don’t think the text of that article matches reality. I remember that race well, and Webber tried to pass Vettel on the kink in the old Silverstone pit straight, but Vettel ran Webber out of room. That was the only attempt that Webber had at passing Vettel.

In effect, Webber did back off. In Malaysia, Vettel persistently tried to overtake Webber for a number of laps.

Schumacher was more of a ‘team player’ than Vettel is, sure, Schumacher engineered circumstances where he was always faster, but in 1999 at Malaysia he allowed Irvine past, which put team interests first.

I detest the cosy-up at Red Bull, with Helmet Marko licking Vettel’s backside. Over the winter, Marko spent most of his time bitching about Webber, yes, a current Red Bull driver.

When Vettel crashed into Webber in Turkey, he should have got a bollocking – but instead he got hugs and kisses from Horner and Marko. I’ve never seen such ridiculous driving not get penalised in modern-day F1.

It seems to me that even the Vettel fanboys at Red Bull found Malaysia unacceptable. It’s a shame they didn’t find his antics unacceptable in Turkey. As a Red Bull product and investment, they shouldn’t be sheltering him from any criticism. When he screws up – he needs to be told so. He won’t learn or develop if he’s only told what he wants to hear.

Last year in Brazil was also his fault, he cut into Bruno Senna’s line – but RBR allowed Vettel to think it was only Senna’s fault. He’ll never learn like that. Vettel screamed furiously over the radio at Abu Dhabi when he almost hit Ricciardo under Safety Car, but who's fault was that?

Red Bull need to remind Vettel who pays his salary and who he drives for.



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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:31 am

There is a very good reason he gets away with so much. Red bull has sponsored many many drivers and only one has ever won an f1 race.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:25 am

In reality its exact same action though and its okay for poor old Mark to try to win against team orders but not for the arrogant evil German Vettel.
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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:15 pm

Red Bull Racing would do quite well to ditch Helmet Marko, who is effectively Red Bull’s in-house Vettel fanboy and he serves no purpose whatsoever in the team. Over the winter, Marko made it perfectly clear how he felt about Webber.

Of course, the suspicions about Vettel’s treatment don’t just stem from orders during races. At Silverstone in 2010, Vettel’s front wing broke during practice and RBR gave the spare updated wing to Vettel, nicking it from Webber.

Vettel is naturally faster enough to beat Webber, which is what makes Helmet Marko and his partisan style so unnecessary.
Marko is paid to make love to Vettel for 19 race weekends a year – he’s a waste and does SFA.


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PostSubject: Re: formula 1 viewing down    Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:12 am

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
There is a very good reason he gets away with so much. Red bull has sponsored many many drivers and only one has ever won an f1 race.

I don’t disagree with that. Red Bull sponsors other drivers like Travis Pastrana in other motorsports, so they have backed other successful drivers. In F1 though, Sebastian Vettel is all that Red Bull have to show for their money spent on the plethora of F1-hopefules who’ve been ditched.

Vettel is Red Bull, and Helmet Marko is like Vettel’s in-house spokesman.

RBR are wrong to shelter Vettel from criticism when he makes mistakes. Incidents like Turkey 2010 should have resulted in the management in giving him a warning, he took out Webber – but instead he got a hug and got told it wasn’t his fault. The team is almost scared to critique him, but Malaysia was like a wake-up call.

With the amazing talent that Vettel is, it wouldn’t harm him to face consequences from the team when he makes silly errors. Vettel cut into Karthikeyan last year in Malaysia, but apparently it was all Karthikeyan’s fault.

Schumacher may have been very influential in appointments at Ferrari, but there is no team that is so dependent on one driver than Red Bull is. McLaren and Ferrari will mostly always have great drivers, but at Red Bull it is all or nothing.

I might be wrong on this, but I suspect Red Bull Racing will turn out like Williams. An amazing glory run of titles...but once Vettel/Newey go the team will turn into a meltdown. There seems to be a worryingly rigid structure based around these two individuals.

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