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PostSubject: Grand am 2014   Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:21 am

The rules for the 2014 season are due to be released in the 4th of January
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:26 am

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/grand-am-2014-class-structure-unveil-set-for-jan-4/

That what I was looking for.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:44 am

Indeed, I saw that. Let's hope that the organisers produce something that will keep both sides happy. I hope this new series will be thoroughly American, and not too European.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:05 pm

They will be foolish it's to American and it needs a good dose of European. There seems to be a feeling ghat it'll p2 and dp as the top class and gt.

That would be fine but the series needs to inforce contract rules and penalise cheaps. This gt racing not touring cars and its ameatures with small budgets not professionals.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:05 pm

lets hope sorted out right and not a mess. trying to keep people happy will not be easy.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:18 am

I don’t think so. This will be an American championship, so should be more American than European. ALMS is struggling by being servants to ACO, so much for loyalty as well – ACO has effectively written ALMS out of their future plans. That’s why the unified series should also head in a new direction.

I think an American sports car series has tremendous potential, and that doesn’t need to include being in bed with the ACO.

America is also a bigger enough marketplace to sustain a single, stand-alone series. The real mistake was having Grand Am and ALMS separated for so long, combine both series’ manufacturers, teams and drivers – you have a strong series.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:00 am

The aco is sportscar racing.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:22 am

Technically not, many sports car series exist around the world – and are arguably more exciting. ACO racing is becoming a bit too snoozy with the traction control and serious lack of power with P1 cars.


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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:21 am

according to sam collins (of race car engineering so he should know) the DP's will not pass the fia prototype crash test and therefore will never race at le mans. The cost of building a new crash structure from carbon fiber is too high. No tube frame chassis will pass that crash test according to sam collins anyway.

My prediction for car counts in 2014

Lmp2 none to 2. probably none
Dp 10 to 14. 12 for the season more at daytona maybe 20
lmpc 5 to 8. reducing by the year
gte 4 to 6. corvette, maybe dodge
gagt 15 to 25. more at daytona
gtx 5, Cromarty pushing easterly then none in 2015

total about 36 to 40
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:20 am

Well I’d like to see it, if Daytona Prototypes can be adapted to race at Le Sarthe. There has been great enthusiasm from the Grand Am paddock, and if there is a will – there is a way. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ACO pegged back DP’s, though. In a straight line, DP’s would compete with top-line LMP1’s for top speed – and there is no chance that the ACO would allow that to happen.

But the dynamic in prototypes is changing. DP’s in whatever form are clearly the future in America, and they provide tremendous racing. I am glad that the organisers are considering allowing DP’s; they should be embracing change rather opposing it.

I did read something very interesting about next year’s unified series. There might be so many teams, some tracks might not be able to accommodate all entries – well it’s a nice problem to have…

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:47 am

The split field thing comes from someone looking at car counts and not what the cars and teams are. For example corvette and Porsche spend money in both. That's not going to happen that's at least fours cars gone then and probably more like 8 or 9.

Greg Pickett of muscle milk hates Daytona Prototype so its seems unlikely that he'd suddenly race one. Probably he'd do WEC instead.

Plus there are teams that just can't afford to buy the cars. That's why lmp2 is dead in America. Starworks hpd doing the world championship is cheaper to run than a dp for a season of grand am. But teams don't need to buy new ones when the rules change.

35 to 40 cars is probably the maximum apart from Daytona which should get more.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:34 am

This articles seems to imply that BMW may continue to officially race in the unified US series: http://www.worldcarfans.com/113012052886/bmw-z4-gte-set-for-2013-alms

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:50 am

BMW will race in grand am in 2014 (btw it'll be called grand am or American grand am) but will it be dp's engine which they've done with the gte z4 or with the gagt BMW's that were running last year. They'll probably do two and definitely one bug not all three that would be stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:19 am

"Grand Am" sounds better than "American Grand Am", or even "American Grand Racing"? Laughing

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but will it be dp's engine which they've done with the gte z4 or with the gagt BMW's that were running last year.

BMW's DP engine in a Z4? I thought that the 4.0 litre V8 was hefty enough in the Z4's engine bay, but a 5.0 litre V8? I don't see much point, as it will predictably be detuned because its a very powerful and torque-laden engine. Once its detuned, the car will be running the same speed as the 4.0 V8 - only nose heavier.

BMW's S65 unit is becoming a tad redundant as almost every production BMW is now turbocharged, but retaining the 4.0 litre V8 would make sense. Whilst Ferrari and Porsche use naturally aspirated GT engines, that will continue to be the favoured option imo.

2014 GT in Grand Am will be quite spectacular. The unified series will encourage the world's best to join, as they get maximum coverage possible with no splits. I hope Chevrolet make a C7 GTE soon.... Cool and I hope that Chrysler continue racing the Viper GTE in the unified series.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:27 am

the title needs to be really long like, United states of America grand road racing championship series Razz Wink pirat

fit that on a screen Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:32 am

Yikes...imagine saying that every time to refer to the series... What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:42 am

Slight error, some dp's had BMW engines.

The point I was trying to make was bmw will probably carry on racing but not with three cars in three class but more
Like one or two
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:34 am

Well BMW seem flexible to supplying more teams with their DP engine, as shown by supplying Salheen's this year. TRG is working with Aston-Martin to field cars in Grand-Am, they may also build a DP engine: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/sports-car-high-hopes-for-trg-aston-martin/

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:57 am

still not quite what i meant, BMW will not develop (run or be involved with) 3 different packages. But one maybe two. Selling engines to dp teams makes them money.

If there's an Aston martin dp engine it'll be the v8 out of the vantage or v12 out of everything and not new they don't have the money to build a new unit.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:16 am

I have been having a think and listening to Daytona. I don't think they should have DP and lmp2 in one with hardly to zero entries for alms. I think DP should be top class. There is lot of entries doing Le Mans this year and maybe wec but hardly any in alms.

And looking at Daytona lots of entries for DP and decent gt with Audi, BMW Porsche Ferrari and to be honest DP seem to work for America lots of people have them! Just weird to mess it up

Just a thought not sure it's explained well scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:39 am

No, you make perfect sense – I was thinking along your lines as well.

For whatever reason, LMP2 has struggled in USA when the category reverted to what it was intended for – privateers in ALMS. It hardly seems incorporating LMP2 when only a handful of cars currently compete.

In effect, it might be the case that DP’s are the only prototypes in the unified series. I suspect that LMP2 cars were offered to sweeten the deal for the ALMS side – whether we actually see both series on track remains to be seen…

Grand-Am’s GT class on its own has really come stronger in recent years. Ferrari’s involvement and Audi’s increased presence has made the class more credible. The 2014 GT class should be spectacular…

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:21 am

Just seems everyone wants to race Daytona you add Sebring and petit to it! Going to be good! Also look at tracks They have lots of tracks to chooses from to make a great series!
I don't think DP should go to Le Mans as they kind of really have 24hours race! And that's what makes the Rolex 24 so good Le Mans is lle mans, Daytona 24 is Daytona different but both brilliant

GT should be good, going to be interesting on the sort that out! With grand am gt and Gte

I think with new series they are trying please everyone and there is quote to many cooks spoil the broth, they kind need to look at what is and what works!
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:40 am

The 2014 calendar should be spectacular, yep. Daytona, Sebring and Road Atlanta are obviously essential; Watkins Glen is another essential circuit in my opinion. COTA will probably be present as well.

I would like to see DP’s at La Sarthe, even as a temporary experiment. The ACO should be open to new categories, and it will increasingly become America’s prototype from next year – so there is extra significance.

I think you’re spot on about trying to please everyone – this unified series won’t satisfy all. It’s come increasingly clear that DP’s are popular cars, with healthy entries for both Daytona and other races. LMP2 could have been America’s prototype, but ALMS have proven there just isn’t much interest.

I’m sure some teams won’t enter the unified series because they don’t like Grand Am, but the increased manufacturer/team interest in a single, easy-to-follow series will far outweigh that.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:54 am

I can understand why they want P2 cars keeping ties with ACO and Le Mans! Always important but decent p2 entries in Europe but will they race in the new series! They might but not many have probably wont if cost are too high!

They have such good list miller, Indy the 3 endurance races! Laguna ViR etc etc

I do think they to sort it out and base level sorted however I do think 2014 was have problems and issues

DP are different and that what's makes them good, ACO might let them in but not really sure they would...
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PostSubject: Re: Grand am 2014   Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:09 pm

I think as long as the American series retains the GTE class cars, there will always be an important link to Le Mans. When a class coincides like GTE does, it will be worth retaining that link to the ACO.

The ACO lost control of America when they started to take America’s most important races out of WEC. It is right that the unified series mostly goes in its own direction.

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