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PostSubject: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:02 pm

Apparently Ferrari have been looking back at footage of Vettel's overtaking of Vergne on the straight after the Senna S on lap 4. But there's no case to answer according to the FIA:

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Formula 1's ruling body, the FIA, says there is "no case" to answer in the controversy involving Sebastian Vettel's overtaking of Jean-Eric Vergne during the Brazilian Grand Prix.

It confirmed exclusively to AUTOSPORT that it was in no doubt that Vettel's pass was legitimate.

Vettel was crowned champion for the third time at Interlagos after finishing in sixth position in an action-packed race in which he was spun after making contact with Bruno Senna on the opening lap.

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso finished in second position, a result that left him three points behind Vettel in the standings.

On Wednesday evening, however, Ferrari said it was reviewing video footage allegedly showing Vettel overtaking Vergne in a yellow-flag sector between Turns 3 and 4 early in the race.

The team stated on Thursday that it had written to the FIA asking for clarification over the matter.

FIA sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the yellow-flag sector at Interlagos started at the light panel just before Turn 3, at marshal sector 3, and ends about 150m before Turn 4, where a green light panel is displayed.

However, there is a marshal's post in between these two panels and a green flag was being waved there on that lap.

Under the FIA's rules for the Brazilian GP, if a green flag is displayed before a green light - as it was in Vettel's case - it is the first green that counts.

Therefore, the FIA is in no doubt that Vettel's pass was legitimate, which is why race control was not informed of any potential infringement.

The FIA confirmed to AUTOSPORT that no team had asked for a review of the incident. The ruling body also said it does not comment on the stewards' decisions.


If there was a protest of any sort, they've well and truly missed the deadline.

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FIA International Common Sporting Code - Chapter 12, Article 174d:

Protests against any error or irregularity occurring during a competition, referring to the non-compliance of vehicles with the regulations and concerning the classification established at the end of the event shall, except in circumstances which the stewards of the meeting consider as physically impossible, be made within thirty minutes of the official publication of the results.
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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:24 pm

Yellow flags are for safety, it should be investigated.

If this had been at Barcelona or Suzuka it would be looked into. Why not now.
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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:05 am

Its right the matter has been looked into. It is to late to protest the result but in the interest of the sport things should be made clear.

I'v looked at the three incidents where Vettel passed while yellow lights were shown. In two of the three the lights were not flashing and I believe are ment to inform the drivers of the conditions on the track surface. In the one case where the light is flashing to inform drivers of a yellow flag no overtaking happens until passed the next signal is given, which is a green flag.

So what can be done to make things clearer for viewers of the sport in future? The media who cover the sport could in future give more details about the signals given by race control to stop the confusion and maybe the stewards could give details after the race about what instuctions where issued to drivers during the race.
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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:23 am

It’s very difficult to tell from the footage. It appears that Vettel overtakes Vergne as both cars approach a green digi flag, however, did the pass happen when the yellow was still out? I’m assuming the FIA precisely know the status of the track by the millimeter.

We only see the flashing flags, but this is very vague.

I think there needs to be a review of the way yellow flags are handled. In Korea, there was debris on the track at a major overtaking spot, yet the yellow flag stayed out for ages and the debris wasn’t cleared for a while. It’s pointless having a local yellow for a long time. The debris or danger won’t clear itself up.

In Interlagos, the Safety Car got deployed many laps after all the debris got dropped – it should be abundantly clear straight away.

This wishy-washy approach is frustrating.

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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:45 am

I'v seen the green flag enhanced from the in car footage and he makes the pass after it, it was on ssn today.
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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:01 pm

From all I've heard, the concenus is vettel has done nothing wrong. But even so it should be looked at.
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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:27 pm

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Ferrari considers the controversy surrounding Sebastian Vettel's overtaking move of Jean-Eric Vergne in the Brazilian Grand Prix now 'closed', after receiving an official response from the FIA.

The Maranello-based team had written to motor racing's governing body asking for clarification on the pass - with on-board footage from Vettel's car appearing to indicate he passed his Toro Rosso rival under yellow flag conditions.

Prior to an FIA clarification that Vettel's pass had been completed after a marshal had waved a green flag, as first revealed by AUTOSPORT, Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali wanted answers from the governing body to ensure that nothing untoward had happened.
The FIA responded on Friday morning to explain the situation, and Ferrari is now happy that the issue has been put to rest.

In a statement issued on Friday it said: "Ferrari duly takes note of the reply sent by the FIA this morning and therefore considers the matter now closed."

Ferrari made it clear that it had a duty to its fans to follow up the Vettel controversy after widespread distribution of the Vettel video.

"The request for a clarification from the FIA, regarding Vettel's passing move on Vergne, came about through the need to shed light on the circumstances of the move, which came out on the Internet only a few days after the race," added the Ferrari statement.

"The letter to the FIA was in no way intended to undermine the legality of the race result.

"We received tens of thousands of queries relating to this matter from all over the world and it was incumbent on us to take the matter further, asking the Federation to look into an incident that could have cast a shadow over the championship in the eyes of all Formula 1 enthusiasts, not just Ferrari fans."

The FIA also issued a statement on Friday confirming that it told Ferrari that it was adamant the overtaking move was not in breach of the regulations.

"The FIA received a letter from Scuderia Ferrari, seeking clarification on Sebastien Vettel's overtaking manoeuvre in Sao Paulo on Sunday," it said.

"In the spirit of transparency and goodwill, the FIA wishes to make public the receipt of this letter.

"The Federation also informs it has replied to Scuderia Ferrari, in the same constructive spirit, stating that as the overtaking manoeuvre was not in breach of the regulations, and therefore there was no infringement to investigate, it was not reported to the Stewards by Race Control."

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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:48 am

Ferrari to challenge Christmas

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The Ferrari F1 team has announced that it is ‘evaluating’ whether to launch an official protest against Christmas.

‘Last December we became aware that a man travelled the world giving gifts to children whilst wearing a suit that made unauthorised use of the signature red and white Ferrari colours,’ said Maranello spokesman Paul Oozer. ‘Since then we have been carefully examining footage of this ‘Christmas’ event and, although we did not mention it at the time, we now believe we have a case against the gentleman who infringed our copyright, Mr Claus, which we can string out in an over-dramatic and pathetically childish way.’

If the Italian team decides to go ahead with its action against Father Christmas, it could have dire consequences for the jocular Laplander’s usual present distribution routine and indeed for Christmas itself. However, Ferrari believe they have a solution to this potential seasonal crisis; ‘As the rightful users of the red and white colour scheme, we would take over the whole Christmas event,’ said a spokesman. ‘Fernando Alonso has the pace to deliver presents all over the world in just one night and Felipe Massa looks like an elf. Plus, the 2012 car was basically a bit of a turkey.’

As for the actual presents to be delivered to youngsters across the globe, Ferrari claim they would have a solution to that too. ‘What child would not want to receive a Ferrari-branded golfing glove or Ferrari-branded ice scraper?’ their spokesman asked. ‘Although of course in return the child would owe us 390 and 735 Euros respectively.’

Whilst Ferrari continue to deliberate on their next move, others are less than impressed with their potential plan to ruin Christmas. ‘For fuck’s sake, can’t they just drop it and move on,’ said the rest of the world, yesterday.

http://sniffpetrol.com/2012/11/29/ferrari-to-challenge-christmas/

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PostSubject: Re: Who's the 2012 Champion again?   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:51 am

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