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PostSubject: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:28 am

2012 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE

After a trip to North America, Formula 1 heads back to Europe this weekend on the streets of Valencia for the 2012 Formula 1 Grand Prix of Europe. The Valencia Street Circuit hosts the eighth round of the 2012 FIA Formula 1 World Championship.





Spain only hosted a Formula One Grand Prix last month, but this weekend sees Spain host its other Grand Prix in an urban environment on the streets of Valencia – far different from the purpose-built track of Barcelona. With Fernando Alonso’s success in the sport, F1 has gained considerable public awareness in Spain which prompted Bernie Ecclestone and the Valencia government to announce a race around the city’s harbour area for seven years. Although, Spain’s economic hardship means that two events in the country now look unsustainable, especially with Valencia being reliant on public investment.

Although the circuit is predominately known as a street circuit, the circuit has purpose-built sections and the surfaces are mostly smooth. The circuit doesn’t feature the bumps and ruts of Monaco and the Singapore track, for example. The race hasn’t been one of the more interesting GP’s since its debut in 2008 to put it politely. Can an exciting and unpredictable season turn Valencia into an interesting motor race? Only time will tell.

European Grand Prix fast facts

-Driving direction: Clockwise
-Length of pit straight: 0.5 mile
-Average speed of lap: 136 mph
-Longest period at full throttle: 13 seconds/930 meters
-Full throttle percentage: 59 %
-Time on brakes: 16 %
-Gear changes per lap: 66
-Highest g-force: 3 g
--Total race distance: 191 miles

Overtaking opportunities

The Valencia Street Circuit has a lot of theoretical overtaking opportunities that don’t seem to have translated into actual ones, judging from the racing we have seen in the four visits to the track.

Turn 2 is a possible overtaking opportunity; the cars will exit the slow final turn (turn 25) at around 55 mph. They’ll then power along the start/finish straightaway into turn 1, which is flat out at 180 mph and will reach approximately 186 mph before braking hard for turn 2 to just 52 mph. This is one of the longer braking zones, therefore if a rival is having issues under heavy braking – turn 2 is a good place to surprise a rival – and is a particularly effective passing spot on lap 1. Then after negotiating the tight chicane of turns 4 and 5, the drivers will reach 186 mph before braking to just 60 mph for turn 8. This is a tough place to pass because the entry to turn 8 is narrow and fast, meaning opportunities for diving underneath somebody are limited.

Turn 13 is undoubtedly the best overtaking opportunity on this circuit, after exiting turn 10 at just 50 mph, drivers power along the harbour area to 200 mph, flat out in 7th gear at 18,000 rpm before braking to under 50 mph in second gear for turn 12. The lack of turbulence, due to the low speed off turn 10 means setting up a rival on the straightaway is feasible. To help overtaking after turn 10, the DRS zone will be placed here. The next passing opportunity comes at turn 17, the cars will power down the second long straightaway to over 190 mph and then brake to just 47 mph for turn 17 – another large braking zone. Turns 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24 are very challenging and twisty, but are ultimately too twisty for overtaking at the final corner – turn 25.

What to watch for

Teams may choose to prioritise qualifying over race performance, in light of how difficult overtaking can be. Any car advantage can be negated by the dirty air of another car, and track position might be more valuable. However, this in turn may help passing, if cars optimised for long runs are faster than other cars.

Although Valencia has adequate run-off area in most sections, turn 2 arrives pretty shortly after a high speed turn 1. There has been a lot of contact and accidents in turn 2 during previous support and F1 races themselves. Safety Car deployment is a possibility in this respect.

Car requirements

The Valencia street track is a medium to high downforce circuit. Although the circuit has a number of flat out sections which demand a slippery car for good straight line speed, the sheer number of continuous sequenced corners means high downforce is required to keep the cars as planted to the circuit as possible for best traction out of all the slow corners.. This is ideal for the best braking stability as well, something very important at Valencia with all the stops from high speeds.

An engine with good drivability at low torque and mid-RPM’s will help lap time and tyre wear, and with rear degradation tending to be high due to the high temperatures, this will be important at Valencia.

Tyre selections

Pirelli will bring their Soft and Medium compound P Zero tyres to Valencia. The graphic below shows Pirelli’s 2012 range of P Zero tyres and their respective markings:




Video footage

Video footage

Here is a flying lap of this Valencia circuit with Sebastian Vettel in his Red Bull-Renault 6 driving to pole position in qualifying for the 2010 Grand Prix of Europe:



Weekend schedule in UK time:

Fri 22 June 2012

Friday Practice 1 09:00 – 10:30
Friday Practice 2 13:00 – 14:30

Sat 23 June 2012

Saturday Practice 10:00 – 11:00
Qualifying 13:00

Sun 24 June 2012

Start of Formation Lap 13:00
2012 European Grand Prix Race Start 13:03*

Full weekend schedule in local time

Thursday 21st June:

Formula One Press Conference - Press Room 15:00

Friday 22nd June:

GP3 Practice Session 08:30 – 09:15
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 09:15 – 09:45
Formula One Practice 1 10:00 – 11:30
GP2 Practice Session 12:00 – 12:30
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 12:45 – 13:45
Formula One Practice 2 14:00 – 15:30
GP2 Qualifying Session 16:00 – 16:30
Formula One Press Conference - Press Room 16:00 – 17:00
Porsche MOBIL 1 Supercup Practice Session 17:00 – 17:45

Saturday 23rd June

Formula One Pit Stop Practice 08:30 – 09:15
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 08:30 – 09:35
GP3 Qualifying Session 09:45 – 10:15
Formula One Practice 3 11:00 – 12:00
Porsche MOBIL 1 Supercup Qualifying 12:25 – 12:55
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 12:25 – 12:55
Formula One Qualifying 14:00
GP2 First Race (30 Laps or 60 Mins) 15:40 – 16:45
GP3 First Race (14 Laps or 30 Mins) 17:20 – 17:55

Sunday 24th June

GP3 Second Race (14 Laps or 30 Mins) 09:25 – 10:00
GP2 Second Race (23 Laps or 45 Mins) 10:35 – 11:25
Porsche MOBIL 1 Supercup Race (14 Laps or 30 Mins) 11:45 – 12:20
Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 12:00 – 13:15
Formula One Drivers Parade 12:30
Formula One Starting Grid Presentation 12:45 – 13:15
Formula One National Anthem 13:46
Start of Formula One Formation Lap 14:00
Start of 2012 Formula 1 European Grand Prix 14:03*

* Based on the time period between the start of formation lap and actual race start in the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix.

UK Television schedules – BST time

In addition to Sky F1’s coverage of the 2012 European Grand Prix, BBC is showing this weekend’s Grand Prix sessions live. All live sessions can also be viewed on BBC’s F1 website, free of charge: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/

Friday 22nd June

BBC Red Button Coverage

Practice One: 08:55 – 10:35
Practice Two: 12:55 – 14:35

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice One: 08.45
Practice Two: 12.45 pm

Saturday 23rd June

BBC Coverage

Practice Three: 09:55-11:05, Red Button
1210-1420, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Practice Three: 09.45
Qualifying: 12:00 pm

Sunday 24th June

BBC Coverage

1210-1515, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online

Sky Sports F1 Coverage

Race: 11.30 am

Live timing and scoring is available for every session at http://www.formula1.com/ Registration is required to view live timing. If you wish to watch this Grand Prix outside the UK, please check your local listings.

Previous winners of European Grand Prix

2004 – Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2005 – Fernando Alonso – Renault
2006 – Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2007 – Fernando Alonso – McLaren-Mercedes Benz
2008 – Felipe Massa – Ferrari
2009 – Rubens Barrichello – Brawn-Mercedes Benz
2010 – Sebastian Vettel – Red Bull-Renault
2011 – Sebastian Vettel – Red Bull-Renault

Enjoy the Grand Prix!

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:10 am

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:28 am

Great City, awesome place, mega weather. poor race....shame
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:38 am

Valencia is a nothing circuit. It’s too spacious and smooth to be a street circuit, and too compromised to have the benefits of a permanent circuit.

The organisers need to spice up the show on the track. A couple of years ago, a spectator managed to run onto the circuit after the swing bridge in Practice. If this happened in the race, this could be spectacular. Maybe they should order Mr Blooby to run onto the track? Then, we’d need a Safety Car period – danger on the track!!! affraid



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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:20 am

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Valencia is a nothing circuit. It’s too spacious and smooth to be a street circuit, and too compromised to have the benefits of a permanent circuit.

The organisers need to spice up the show on the track. A couple of years ago, a spectator managed to run onto the circuit after the swing bridge in Practice. If this happened in the race, this could be spectacular. Maybe they should order Mr Blooby to run onto the track? Then, we’d need a Safety Car period – danger on the track!!! affraid



Even safety cars won't let Valencia. It's a shame because it's quite nice to drive on a game admittedly and the last couple of corners before the last hairpin are good but it's it's got too many corners, too many chicanes and various other problems as well.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:38 am

Wouldn't surprise me at all that this ends up being the same as the last 4 GPs at Valencia in-spite of what's happened so far this season. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:56 am

Only Tilke could genuinely think Valencia is interesting and could create decent racing. It’s quite telling when even GP3 and GP2 cannot put on a show around this course.

Due to the snoozyness of Valencia, we need some external factors to spice up the show. Remote-controlled Mr Blooby, Safety cars, double-wide restarts, caution for debris etc. Maybe the track should break up half way through? That could be pretty exciting.

Double-wide restarts have added a whole new dicey-ness to IndyCar – its about time that F1 had them.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:42 am

Some drivers in this field have little choice tomorrow but to pull of some dicey passing into these braking areas, cars out of position could create some entertainment tomorrow.

If there's a restart tomorrow, that final turn is going to get busy...

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:06 am

dicey moves in the pitlane you mean
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:06 am

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dicey moves in the pitlane you mean


Nope, out on the race track.

This race was absolutely thrilling. We had crashes, pay back, frequent overtaking and a Safety Car period – it was a full-blown show out in Valencia.

Congratulations to Alonso, he drove a seriously brilliant motor race. Not all races can be entirely run under green-flag conditions, and laps under Safety Car are part of any sport. Whatever happened to Vettel and Grosjean, the failures have surely got to be Renault-related. Vettel said his engine shut down, that may have been an electrical glitch.

That was incredibly cruel for Vettel, he simply had stunning pace and checked out after the first corner. That must suck when you’re driving so well.

As for the Hamilton/Maldonado incident, I think that was entirely Maldonado’s fault. Throughout GP2, GP3 and Supercup, defensive drivers who blocked the outside of the turn (like Hamilton did) forced the offending driver onto the run off area. Drivers in a rookie series understand this, but this was oblivious to an F1 driver. Afterwards, that driver off the track has a total responsibility to get back onto the circuit without impeding anyone else. Maldonado knew he didn’t have a chance to properly make that turn.

Circumstances should be handled on their own merits, but Maldonado pulls the strangest moves I’ve seen. First he deliberately crashes into Hamilton at Spa, then he does the same thing to Perez in Monaco, and now this new revenge-fuelled incident. It’s unacceptable to exact revenge in an open wheel car, which is so susceptible to getting airborne.

I agreed with Coulthard’s thoughts, Pastor has the audacity in all interviews to seriously blame everyone but himself, and make really crappy excuses. Maldonado should go to NASCAR if he wants to use his race car as a weapon. What Hamilton did was part of competitive motor racing, what Maldonado did was not worthy of a Formula Ford driver (no offence to those drivers).

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:24 am

Maldonado should get a race ban, if not from the FIA from Williams. He was sure to get third if he just waited another half a lap, Hamilton could barely touch the throttle adn he threw it away. Its a shame he has those moments because theres no doubt he is a very quick driver. Vergne should also get a ban, idiot, Toro rosso should never have changed the line up they had last year.

Alonso did a great job, his move on Grosjean crowned the performence but it was a shame Vettel and Gorsjean had such bad luck after impressive performences. Hamilton also had another good race, the Mclarens clearly had rear tyre issues but he managed to keep himself in the fight until near the end.

Force India got some decent points but I feel they hedge their bets a little in the races, I think they could get a podium before the end of the season with a bit of luck and a little more boldness in strategy.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:13 am

You’re absolutely right; Hamilton’s rear tyres truly got screwed on those final laps. He could barely put the throttle down when he came off the swing bridge, which is partially why Maldonado got so close in the first place. Hamilton was effectively limping around at the end, and Maldonado didn’t need to be so hell-bent on making that overtake.

The etiquette for that turn has either been to skip the entire chicane, or back off and fall in line, if a driver has been forced off. Maldonado in essence put his blinkers on and pretended Hamilton wasn’t there. Imo, Maldonado appears to have serious anger-management issues in the cockpit. He sees red-mist and sees no alternative but to get revenge in that moment. With these cars, that’s completely unacceptable.

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"He tried to put me off the track,"

Yes dear, everyone does that.
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Poor darling, would you like a hanker chief for that? I’m just so upset for you. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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I jumped over the kerb and I couldn't avoid the accident."

Bullshit, you could have easily skipped the corner like everyone else does. But no, another one of your bonehead moves…

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"I don't know why he drove like that," Maldonado said. He tried a very aggressive move on me."

Oh, the irony of those statements is priceless. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Poor little dear, you’ve never driven aggressively, have you? Or deliberately driven into other cars. You never got banned from Monaco WSR for hitting a marshal...

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:37 am

Vergne has been given a double penalty; 10 place grid drop for Silverstone, and a 25K fine. Vergne just didn’t clear Kovalainen, it’s that simple. Vernge’s excuse that he “was ahead”, but I don’t understand that point. He had to be fully clear of Heikki before moving over. Vernge should try that on the public roads and see how far he gets…

Toro Rosso is a rather strange team. Apart from Vettel, nobody has graduated to Red Bull Racing. By which, they’re effectively admitting that their own junior programme is rubbish. Buemi, Jamie, Bourdais etc have all been dumped. Are Vernge and Ricciardo much better than Buemi and Alguersuari? I’d say it’s the other way around…

I sense that Hamilton drove a car that wasn’t really very good, at least compared to RBR and the Lotus. He dragged quite impressive speed out of the McLaren.

My move of the race was Alonso passing Weber on the restart into turn 2. I don't know how he braked so much later than Webber, but still get the car turned for the corner. It was extraordinary.

Duckman makes a good point on Force India, Di Resta drives so well to whatever strategy, but why is he boxed into these one stop races? Wouldn't he be a little racier if he had more tyres to use? Di Resta is a great racer, and I’d like to see him utilise the racing ability he has.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:58 am

Was expecting another boring race here like usual, but after a while it seemed to liven up, not sure what Maldonado was thinking though, it was clearly his fault.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:59 am

What do Maldonado, EJ Viso and Milka Duno all have in common….not only the obvious, but they’re all erratic crashing machines.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:56 pm

3 ex world champions on the podium ( when did that happen last )
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:58 pm

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What do Maldonado, EJ Viso and Milka Duno all have in common….not only the obvious, but they’re all erratic crashing machines.

That's not true any more. Viso isn't a crash machine any more, Milka has gone and pastor takIng Lewis was nowhere near as bad as what lewis did to pastor as Monaco last year. I don't think he did a lot wrong, he was at fault but only just.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:24 am

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Wouldn't surprise me at all that this ends up being the same as the last 4 GPs at Valencia in-spite of what's happened so far this season. Rolling Eyes

Shows what I know. zero

In reality, that race should've been Vettel's. Up until the safety car, it was like 2011 all over again: qualify on pole, get a big gap at the start, then maintain it to the flag. Even with the DNF, he (and the team for that matter) must know that they're on to something. I don't think this will be the last time Red Bull will have that sort of dominance.

A great drive though from Alonso. He's been playing the consistency game better than anyone this year, always there picking up the prizes when the other front runners don't want them. crashing

The fact he's leading the championship in what's not the fastest car out there surely supports that notion.


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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:34 am

What about the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix as well, Hamilton, Button and Alonso respectively?

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What do Maldonado, EJ Viso and Milka Duno all have in common….not only the obvious, but they’re all erratic crashing machines.

That's not true any more. Viso isn't a crash machine any more, Milka has gone and pastor takIng Lewis was nowhere near as bad as what lewis did to pastor as Monaco last year. I don't think he did a lot wrong, he was at fault but only just.

The fabulous Milka hasn’t gone; she now drives in ARCA, and predictably, tears up equipment in that series as well.

Viso is still a crashing machine, he’s had many DNF’s this year again from his own mistakes. Then there was GP2…lets perhaps not go there.

Monaco 2011 and Valencia cannot be compared, in my opinion. Hamilton was on the race track, and well alongside Maldonado. In Valencia, Pastor came from outside the track to crash into Lewis. He could have cut the corner, like everyone else did during all the races, even GP3 drivers did that.

I might be alone on this, but I am quite staggered at the leniency of penalties against Pastor. On two clear-cut occasions (Spa 2011 & Monaco 2012), he’s deliberately driven into other competitors. Grid penalties are not enough for that kind of driving, with open wheel cars.

I’m not condoning all revengeful driving. Using your vehicle as a weapon is common in some motorsports, but not with these types of cars.



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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:38 am

On a separate note, the FIA should be heavily applauded for deploying the Safety Car yesterday. That debris was so dangerous; it could have cut a tyre, resulted in a crash, killed a spectator, damaged another car. They took safety first.

The show was electric after the Safety Car, with Alonso sailing down the outside of Webber, and Kobayashi moving Massa out of the way. That’s the sort of excitement you get with Safety Cars.

Caution for debris is my favourite aspect of racing. If I was the race director, I’d just call the Safety Car for no reason whatsoever. If the so-called “purists” want to bitch and scream, I couldn’t care less.

Its about time that European racing woke up and look how exciting American racing is. No more green-flag parades.

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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 am

Don't understand why Vergne got fined for something much less then Pastor..?
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:09 am

I didn’t understand that either, one gets heavily punished for not clearing another car, which is a pretty basic error. However, for deliberately torpedoing another car – a mere 20 seconds is added to your race. Hmm….

But I think Vernge was the driver of the GP, for his incident bringing out the Safety Car. That was great driving. If Vernge can bring out more Safety Cars, this guy will have a long career in F1.


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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:03 am

I don't think it was less because driving into the side of someone on the straight is about as bad as it gets in my book but they both deserved equal penaltys for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: F1 - 2012 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - VALENCIA   Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:14 pm

there is another way to look at this. Lewis was fighting for two points and lets be honest Maldonardo as well as occasional brilliance is also a bit of a nutter. In which case what was Lewis expecting when he forced Maldonardo off the track?

There's no doubt that it was Maldonardo's fault, but if He'dlet him go he would have got 11 points ? instead he has none. Alonso would have done.
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