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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:48 am

Penske to my knowledge has never run a four-car team in Cup, they used to run three cars, but cut back when Hornish went to the Nationwide Series. They occasionally run the 12 car for Hornish in Cup, although Penske has mainly been a two-car operation.

Penske did win the Nationwide Series in 2010, which must be a relief for Roger, after ploughing so much effort into NASCAR for decades.
Ganassiís NASCAR record is a little misleading, tbh. Theyíve won the marquee events, the Daytona 500 and Brickyard 400. But, they lack consistently good results, week in, week out. A Cup championshop is a pipe dream for Ganassi, because first they need top ten finishes on a regular basis. Chip knows this, itís just somehow the crew changes he makes donít materialise as they should.

Will Power is an amazing road racer, but in my opinion, ovals are IndyCarís heritage and core. Power wonít be the complete package like Dario, Helio or Scott until he wins on ovals. Those guys can win at any track on the schedule, whereas Power at the moment is a road specialist.

On the whole, Penske Racing is still ahead of Ganassi, even though Ganassi's more recent results have matched or beaten Penske's in IndyCar. Ganassi doesnít quite have the resource or engineering depth that Penske has. For decades, Penske has built its own NASCAR engines Ė something that Ganassi would struggle to do in any motorsports.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:44 am

Dario is an odd case. Being European he should be a road course guy and yet has turned himself into not just an all rounder but an oval guy.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:36 am

Dario took to ovals very well, despite having a road racing background like Wheldon. But Wheldon struggled a little on road courses, whereas Dario can win at any track on the schedule Ė his versatility is truly impressive.

Texas Motor Speedway hosts the next IndyCar round, and really encouragingly, downforce has been cut in order to prevent endless side-by-side racing: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100191

I applaud the officials for experimenting with downforce levels. The proof of the pudding will be in the race, but for me, the inability to run any groove on the track whilst staying wide open will be the key test. I donít want to see drivers merely steering the cars, like Briscoe suggests, I want to see these very capable drivers using their judgment and race into the corner, then lift off.

To go forward, going slower for IndyCar is the key on big ovals.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:45 am

Tagliani has won the pole for tomorrow nightís race, with Dario sharing the front row. Rahal and Dixon share row two, with Power in the fastest Chevrolet in 5th.

The speeds theyíre maintaining with less HP is impressive. Tagliani ran a faster pole time than last yearís, which just shows how much slipperier this new car is. Full line-up here: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-hondas-tagliani-scores-back-to-back-poles-at-texas/



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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:19 am

Wow, what an incredible race. IRL has raced at Texas since 97, and at last the drivers were properly driving the cars through the corners. They had to lift off, manage snap oversteer, manage the transition off the banking, and, manage ill-handling when the tyres went away.

It was so refreshing to see car handling make a difference, and that created its own battles when the tyres dropped off. IndyCar deserves a lot of credit for really trimming away the downforce, the drivers were oversteering off the turns like a stock car does. Hilderbrand and Dario had scary-looking slides going on, but held it.

At last; the 1.5 mile racing that always should have been.

Iím so pleased for Justin Wilson; he was hunting down Rahal before the latter hit the wall anyway. Arguably, the fastest driver won. Iím glad that set-up is now a big factor, because it gives drivers like Wilson opportunities to win Ė rather than your chances being all down to a wind tunnel like it was before.

Will Power definitely deserved that penalty. On ovals especially, one cannot chop somebody off like that. Kanaan had a run on Power, and that point, moving over can be lethal.


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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:41 am

Hmm, after seeing the Milwaukee race yesterday, is Hinchcliffe now a strong championship contender? If he can have a strong Iowa race, it would be game on. Hinch is great on the road courses too. If the China replacement is an on oval, Power better be afraid of Hinch!!!

Milwaukee produced a superb race. Seeing the drivers lifting off for the corners, and even braking was superb. Proper dicey racing entering the corner.

Bobby Rahal perhaps should get Sato to pay for his own crashes from now onÖ

Barfield didnít do very well with those restarts, which is odd because heís handled all the other restarts really well this season.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:30 am

Hinchcliffe and Hunter Reay are in it. No one else seems able to get much of a consistent run, either because of bad luck or struggling to get grips with the new car on some types of circuit. I still don't count Dario out yet but he needs to capitalise on some of the bad luck of others.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:42 am

Dario sadly seems to struggle for outright pace in the DW12 on left/right turn courses. He can nab positions on restarts, like at Detroit, but unless heís solved his problems by Toronto, I donít see Dario challenging Power on them. Hinchcliffe is on a role, heís had great runs on road courses and has top-five finishes on all ovals so far this year.

Iowa could be a real treat this Saturday night (US time anyway). IndyCar is trimming downforce from the rear wing, like they did with Texas. Skinny rear downforce on a circuit with tight radiusesí could be highly entertainingÖ

These short ovals get properly dicey.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:51 am

Hunter-Reay drove brilliantly for a second week in a row, the DW12 looks like a real handful on ovals. I loved it when Viso called out Power for crashing into him. Oh, like Viso hasnít hit everything but the Pace CarÖ

I donít like Power, but he had the respect and gratitude to admit that was his fault.

The championship is game on now; Hunter-Reay is hunting Power down. Sorry, I had to say that. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:18 am

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Hunter-Reay drove brilliantly for a second week in a row, the DW12 looks like a real handful on ovals. I loved it when Viso called out Power for crashing into him. Oh, like Viso hasnít hit everything but the Pace CarÖ

I donít like Power, but he had the respect and gratitude to admit that was his fault.

The championship is game on now; Hunter-Reay is hunting Power down. Sorry, I had to say that. Razz

Yes viso did hit just about everything last year. But this year he's been very good
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:05 am

He has indeed, but to complain about others crashing is a bit rich. Especially when Power apologised, I donít recall Viso ever saying sorry when he ruined many other folks' races.

Those cars looked like hell at Iwoa, witness Hinchcliffe who just lost the rear end not even going full speed. At last, the ovals now require that driver finesse and control that makes the racing interesting Ė no more wide open snoozefests.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:10 am

IndyCar is adding Ďpush to passí for the remaining road courses, starting with Toronto next week. This is a good move, a lot of IndyCarís road courses are narrow and donít have long braking zones. Hopefully this will shake up races like Sonoma and Mid-Ohio.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:43 am

Iím really looking forward to tomorrowís Honda Indy Toronto, with push-to-pass returning and Lotus being allowed to upgrade their engine.

Dario Franchitti looks to be far more competitive on a road course than at previous outings, as he paced the first practice session. Iím really rooting for Hunter-Reay though; heís just three points away from Power.

This race is usually thrilling with all the bonehead moves, cautions and wild restarts.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:20 am

I missed the race unfortunately but its sounds like it was another great day for Hunter-Reay. He is on an amazing role now, not only for his own form but also the trouble of his title rivals. Pleased to see another driver up front at this stage of the season and even better to have a different team. Two Andretti cars in the top 5 with one leading in the standings is a welcome surprise after the domination Penske and Ganassi have had in recent seasons. I may be away for the next race but I might be able to catch it somehow
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:47 am

I thought Toronto was a pretty good race; it was nice to see overtaking and battles without the caution required. They all played niceÖuntil Pagenaud aggressively blocked Newgarden, which sent the latter into the tyre barrier.

With four laps to go at Toronto, you could bet on your grandmother there being a mess. Sure enough, Kimball dumped Bourdais, Dario collided with Briscoe, and the whole track got blocked.

I donít like Will Power, but he got truly screwed by the first caution period. Thatís how American road racing plays out, but still, it was like an action replay of Mid-Ohio 2011.

Hunter-Reay is driving wonderfully. If you think about it, this new car has presented so many unknowns on ovals, yet he won at both Milwaukee and Iowa, then, he comfortably wins on the more familiar road course. He has essentially wiped out a 75 point deficit in three races Ė its truly amazing.

I think the 500 mile race at Fontana will be the wild card. By looking how loose the cars got at Texas as the tyres fell off, it will be a game of survival.


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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:52 am


IndyCar rolls onto the airport track of Edmonton today. The battle between Hunter-Reay and Power is about to reach high gear, and Dario is finally getting into the groove on road courses.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:31 am

http://www.indycar.com/News/2012/07-July/7-30-Chicane-removed-from-Baltimore-layout

it looks like I did the map. Not a professional racing series. Lol
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:28 am

Removing the chicane on the front straightaway is a no-brainer; itís one of the clumsiest corners Iíve seen. Only the chicane for Auto GP at Curitiba beats it. For Curitiba, they literally plonked some polystyrene barriers in a corner!

There should be much better racing into turn 1, with the extra slipstream and heavier braking.

Letís see how Mid-Ohio plays out this weekend. Itís a bit like Sonoma with all the narrow width, corner sequences and lack of heavy braking. The DW12 was entertaining around Barber, so Iíve got hope.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:57 am

is autogp still as crap as it was first year?

Sears Point (Sonoma / Infienon) might just be my favourite race track on the planet...

getting rid of the chicane is a no brainer, for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:16 am

That seems to be the case, A1GP was great with that Lola/Zytek package, and itís a mystery why Auto GP is dull. The only junior open wheel series that interest me are GP2/3, everything else is just boring and too similar.

I might sound too negative, but I donít see how the Sonoma track has been changed. The tweaks are minuscule. The biggest mistake they made was shortening the final hairpin, even though theyíve put the hairpin further back, it needs to be fully back like the NASCAR hairpin.

If Sonoma is decent, it will be due to the DW12, not track changes.

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Sears Point (Sonoma / Infienon) might just be my favourite race track on the planet...

Thatís interesting, Sonoma has lovely layouts, although its narrow width induces contact, as shown by the recent NASCAR races. Sonoma is one of the most vehicle-dependent tracks.

Pantano to replace Kimball this weekend: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-pantano-in-at-ganassi-to-sub-for-injured-kimball/

Pantano is surely a bit past it, Iím surprised they chose him out of drivers available.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:26 am

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although its narrow width induces contact, as shown by the recent NASCAR races

nascar could crash into each other on the salt flats where they do land speed records.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:53 am

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although its narrow width induces contact, as shown by the recent NASCAR races

nascar could crash into each other on the salt flats where they do land speed records.

affraid

IndyCar to have more push to pass for Mid-Ohio, with a delay usage for the car in front: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-100-seconds-of-push-to-pass-for-mid-ohio/

Good, at Edmonton drivers in front used it as a defence mechanism, which was counterproductive to actually helping passing. Mid-Ohio will sure need that extra boost to create different straightaway speeds.

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:25 am

IndyCar at Sonoma up next. I like the way that this title battle is looking, I think Scott Dixon is a dark horse in this battle. I'm hoping that Sonoma can produce an interesting race, I guess we'll find out...

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 IndyCar race thread   Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:03 am

Well the racing wasn't great but I think it was slightly improved. Dario seemed to improve during the race, shame it wasn't there from the start. Dixons usual luck returned, I'm sure Helio will receive a heathly bonus for taking care of him. Gutted for Hunter-Reay too, Tag is a clown. Now Power looks certain to win the title but you never know.
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