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PostSubject: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:54 pm

LE MANS: Peugeotís 2012 Program Still Unclear

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Multiple sources have confirmed to SPEED.com that Peugeot has been in negotiations with existing privateer teams about fielding the official 908s as a semi-works operation in 2012, similar to its relationship with Team ORECA Matmut for the past two years.

As many as five teams, inside and outside of Europe, are believed to have been approached for the potential effort, which would require the customer team to find the necessary budget for a two-car program in the WEC and a potential third 908 at the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

how much budget are they going to need......... affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:58 am

Peugeot needs to work on their dire road car products and declining revenues and profits, not spending money on a hugely expensive motorsport program with zero benefit. Motor racing for car companies is okayÖon the proviso that they have healthy car sales to back up motorsport.

Hopefully Peugeotís 908ís get taken to the nearest crusher, the fewer racing cars making tractor noises the better.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:05 am

I don't think the ACO will want no peugeot in the race.......where will the french fight come from........
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:42 am

If the ACO want a French entry that can win, they can enter the race themselves. PSA and Renault are struggling at the moment, even with state subsidies Ė if they survive in their current sizes it will be a miracle.


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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:51 am

ACO entering there own race that would be funny. lol. we are just adding weight to everyone car.

quite interesting to see peugeot in trouble dispite them doing well in ILMC. i think Peugeot could scale back to 1 car?
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:18 am

peugeot and citreon basically fill the sma emarket, no wonder they are struggling.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:29 am

i think peugeot produced one car i kind of like which was the RCZ looks reasonable and EX1 because it looks funky. but they build cars for the masses. like ford and citreon so...........if people like normal don't buy cars then they don't make money
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:05 pm

I like the RCZ, but prices start at 21k and top out at 29k and the most powerful only has 200bhp.

What they should have done is build basically the same car, change the it's front a little, call it something with a better name, maybe revive the Simca name for example put a 4 lire v8 or v12 into it and charge £100,000 for it. A pretty car, with a better name, better face, better engine and a much higher price. Saves the company.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:15 am

Whatís worrying about the French makers, is that they receive subsidies from the French governmentÖbut they are still struggling. Without that subsidy, I dread to think how small each company would become.

Cerca is right, both PSA brands compete in the same markets, so all they do is steal sales of each other, rather than cleverly using their brands to target different segments. The car market is shrinking in Europe, and the ďmiddleĒ market is suffering from it the most. Itís very difficult for PSA, Renault, Vauxhall etc to make profitable cars with their current marketing and product line-ups.

Budget brands and premium brands still have healthy sales/profits in Europe, and they are booming elsewhere.

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but they build cars for the masses. like ford and citreon so...........if people like normal don't buy cars then they don't make money

With the number of BMW 3-Series that are annually sold, one could argue that itís become a car for the masses. Thatís the case with medium sized Audiís and Mercedes-Benz too. For example, the 3-Series is often one of the best selling cars in the UK. But, itís also extremely profitable. Approximately £5,000 is made on each 3-Series sold Ė the French could only dream of such profit margins. Meaning that itís the best of both worlds; high volume sales with decent profit on each car sold. With Ford, they sell in volume but donít have the same profit margins in Europe as BMW.

Premium brands have stolen a lot of market share from non-premium, mid-market (PSA, Renault etc) brands. As mid-market cars have become more expensive, premium cars offer better value for money than they ever have. That's partially because the French have tried to go upmarket, and failed miserably.

Going back to motorsport, the French need to reduce their unnecessary costs and create desirable products. That involves ditching motorsport sadly.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:34 am

there small cheap cars arn't cheap. a 107 starts at 7k iirc and the Citroen which is the same car is 6.5k thats just too much.

When a second hand scoobie can be bought for anything from about 4-5k and there's plenty of choice, a 7k Peugeot makes no sense really.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:24 am

The profit margin on a 107 cannot be much either, with such a low selling price. The Korean brands account for a lot of the city car market, and when you can have a warrenty of five years or more - its easy to see why.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:02 am

http://www.autohebdo.fr/endurance/le-mans/breve-27-5-20869/180112-peugeot-arrete-l-endurance

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:26 am

Peugeot! is done! no more sportscars for them affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:31 am

As I predicted, they cited the worsening situation in Europe as the reason. Car sales are what will help PSA survive, not expensive motorsport and they know that.

The vast majority of French makersí sales come from Europe, whereas the Germans and Japanese are successful in a lot of global markets Ė spreading their risk if one economy sees trouble.

The RCZ is a good step forward for Peugeot, it actually outsold the Audi TT last year in the UK and nobody saw that coming. But, the RCZ is a low volume car and is more of an image builder than a profit cow.

LMP1 will be dire this year, nobody has a hope in hell of matching VAG. LMP1 is will temporarily go back to the day of VAG being the only realistic winners. Things will improve if Toyota get up to speed and Porsche's return in 2014, but right now there is a severe lack of competition in the class.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:11 am

Fairly understandable reasons, but still a shock. Shocked

Oh well, might as well send this year's Le Mans 24hrs and World Endurance Championship trophies to Ingolstadt.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:25 am

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Fairly understandable reasons, but still a shock. Shocked

Oh well, might as well send this year's Le Mans 24hrs and World Endurance Championship trophies to Ingolstadt.

I would like that Wink


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AUTOSPORT understands that the current Euro-zone crisis was a key factor in Peugeot's decision, with France having recently also suffered a credit rating downgrade.

PSA - Peugeot's parent company - also announced last week that it suffered a 6.1 per cent decline in sales over the past year in Europe and expected that trend to continue this year.

not good. i do think things pick up in europe in the next couple of years i think we might see peugeot back in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:33 am

Pick up in a couple of years? The world hopes, but the Eurocrats continue to believe that the Euro can save everything - so Europe is going to have flat growth for many years.

I predict that PSA will become a much smaller company in the next few years, they have a lot of products that just don't sell in great volume. The Frenchies are becoming like Fiat and Alfa Romeo. Their struggles will make big programme like Le Mans a dream for many years.

Skoda's domination will get deeply snoozy, they should compete in "LMP11" - a separate class from the rest of the LMP1 cars - that will be the performance difference now.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:13 am

Peugeot has announced that it will end its endurance racing programme with immediate effect.

The French manufacturer had been Audi's main rival in sportscar racing, running the variants of its diesel 908 prototype in the Le Mans 24 Hours and associated series since 2007.

"This decision has been taken in the context of a difficult economic environment in Europe," Peugeot said in a statement on Wednesday. "Peugeot has chosen to concentrate resources on its sales performance in 2012."

Le Mans victory in 2009 was Peugeot's greatest success, while last year it won the inaugural Intercontinental Le Mans Cup title ahead of the series' transformation into the World Endurance Championship this year.

The decision to can the programme comes amid declining car sales for the Peugeot group, and will be a major blow to the formative WEC - which had been expected to see a season-long battle between Audi and Peugeot.

Toyota is embarking on a new LMP1 programme but will not contest a full campaign this year, while Porsche's new car will not hit the track until 2014.




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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:59 pm

Pescarolo Team Provide Good News - On A Bad Day For France

Henri Pescarolo confirmed to the DSC Editor this evening that Pescarolo Team has posted a single car entry for the full 2012 FIA WEC with a second entry also requested for the Le Mans 24 Hours.

That's good news indeed on a day that has seen a hammer blow for French endurance racing fans.

But there's better news still - Pescarolo is set to either enter a pair of his eponymous chassis fully upgraded to 2012 spec with 3.4 litre engines "most likely from Judd" or there is a possibility that there might be "something from a new project which I cannot discuss with you at the moment."

Stirring stuff from the proud Frenchman, a man who, let's remember headed up the team that was first to run a privately entered Peugeot 908 HDI FAP. Pescarolo Sport ran the car at Le Mans in 2009.

He had plenty to say too on the subject of Peugeotís withdrawal, the timing in particular the subject of scathing criticism ďStupid, at a time when we need to give positive messages about business in France they do this in a way in which it attracts even more attention!

ďIt was too late to make that decision, it is bad business and terrible for all of those involved.

ďIt also makes it clear how difficult it is to compete at this level Ė If Peugeot cannot afford it just imagine how difficult it is for a small team like ours.

ďAnd finally it shows that what I have been telling the ACO for 6 years now needs to be considered urgently Ė They need to do more to help and encourage the smaller teams, the factory teams could be gone in a very short time Ė The ACO didnít believe me but now we will have Audis and a single Toyota but a larger number of privateer cars with no chance to win Ė Itís ridiculous.Ē










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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:52 pm

now we know peugeot's ptototype project is gone, how long until the citreon wrc project gets canned as well. They must cost similar amounts and where there are some people who see le mans almost no one see rallying now.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:06 am

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now we know peugeot's ptototype project is gone, how long until the citreon wrc project gets canned as well. They must cost similar amounts and where there are some people who see le mans almost no one see rallying now.


I agree. i think later on in the year they will annouce that they will pull of WRC at the end of the season and having loeb going perfect timing.
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:54 am

I think the rallying program will stay because Citroen is so dominant in WRC, if they were struggling then rallying would have been scrapped in a heartbeat. Plus, the costs of modifying a DS3 must be less than creating a prototype from scratch, especially with the amount of R&D that such a project needs with the diesel/hybrid engine. The WRC DS3 uses pretty conventional underpinnings with an engine that was derived from their road car Ė that keeps costs reasonable.

Another thing, is that the WEC schedule has a few races that PSA donít have a presence in or barley any. The USA and Bahrain are not markets of interest to PSA, whereas the vast majority of rounds for WRC are important markets for Citroen. WRC rounds have big gatherings, despite the crap TV coverage Ė so the Citroen brand is present in a lot of their biggest markets.

For once, Citroen actually decided to use its rallying heritage to market road cars. The ďDS3 RacingĒ street car was very popular. The prototype program cannot easily be related to PSAís road cars like rally cars can.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:01 am

Citroen affirms WRC commitment in wake of Peugeot's withdrawal from endurance racing:

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Citroen World Rally team principal Yves Matton has confirmed the French firm's continued participation in the World Rally Championship, despite the withdrawal of its PSA stable-mate Peugeot from endurance racing.

Matton added that further proof of Citroen's commitment came in the driver contracts it confirmed ahead of this season.

"The best proof is that we sign two years with Mikko [Hirvonen], three years with Nasser Al-Attiyah, with an option for two more. We are there for the future and we will stay after Sebastien Loeb retires.

"If we were not staying after Sebastien Loeb, what would be the point to have a young driver like Thierry Neuville signed now? We are staying."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97086

I think its fantastic that Peugeot have left, LMP1 was boring anyway apart from the VAG and PSA battle. The fewer hideous tractor noises the better.

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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:31 am

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I think its fantastic that Peugeot have left, LMP1 was boring anyway apart from the VAG and PSA battle. The fewer hideous tractor noises the better.

i don't. having audi and Peugeot battle is great and with toyota and honda coming back and other teams battling and also porsche. it would of been great and big companies like to adverise that.

if PSA are really struggling. i think they will drop WRC
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PostSubject: Re: Peugeotís 2012 Program in trouble?   Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:13 am

Toyota hate diesel, so theyíll be producing great petrol hybrids. Porsche will use a V8 petrol with batteries to tie in with the 918.

Honda will be irrelevant in LMP1, itís not a full blown effort from them. The last time I checked, PSA decided to pull out of prototype racing and theyíre in Monte Carlo right now racing in WRC.

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