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PostSubject: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:41 am



All 3 cars were on track at the DTM final in hockenheimring

All 3 cars look great and hopefully the race is great.
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:33 am

Why don't the merge dtm with adac gt and have the sls, z4m and r8 lms
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:14 am

I really wonder what BMW will call the "M3" in the future. The M3 is called that because it's a 3-Series, but the next Coupe is going to be called a "4-Series" - meaning the M3 Coupe would then become an M4 Coupe. One problem - that doesn't sound right. M3 is a legendary name that has been developed over decades.

DTM desperately needs this new clean slate; new car models, a new car maker and more mechanical grip should inject some life into what has been a very static championship.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:36 am

there was still like 110,000 or something for the race.

I like DTM. i do think it need more life. i hope the 2012 works well.
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:43 am

DTM is hugely popular in Germany even when the racing is stale, other rounds also get consistent and high attendance figures.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:11 am

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I really wonder what BMW will call the "M3" in the future. The M3 is called that because it's a 3-Series, but the next Coupe is going to be called a "4-Series" - meaning the M3 Coupe would then become an M4 Coupe. One problem - that doesn't sound right. M3 is a legendary name that has been developed over decades.

DTM desperately needs this new clean slate; new car models, a new car maker and more mechanical grip should inject some life into what has been a very static championship.

the m3's not based on a coupe though. It was always based on the 3 series saloon, like the crappy touring car is for example (all s2000 touring cars are crappy). All they'll do is make an m4 to go with the m1, m3, m5 and m6 they already have.
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:08 am

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All 3 cars were on track at the DTM final in hockenheimring

All 3 cars look great and hopefully the race is great.

I'll take the 2 on the right. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:25 am

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Mobil 1 wrote:
I really wonder what BMW will call the "M3" in the future. The M3 is called that because it's a 3-Series, but the next Coupe is going to be called a "4-Series" - meaning the M3 Coupe would then become an M4 Coupe. One problem - that doesn't sound right. M3 is a legendary name that has been developed over decades.

DTM desperately needs this new clean slate; new car models, a new car maker and more mechanical grip should inject some life into what has been a very static championship.

the m3's not based on a coupe though. It was always based on the 3 series saloon, like the crappy touring car is for example (all s2000 touring cars are crappy). All they'll do is make an m4 to go with the m1, m3, m5 and m6 they already have.

You're right, the upcoming 4-Series will be based on the 3-Series Saloon - that's pretty obvious. But BMW want to differentiate the Saloon and Coupe significantly, and that supposedly includes different branding, styling and a more responsive drive for the 4-Series. The desire to make the Coupe look different started with the E92, it looked more sleeker than the E90. The new branding is not uncommon though, the 5-Series and 6-Series are very similar underneath - but have different interior, exterior styling and obviously naming. That's why the "M3 Coupe" will become "M4 Coupe".

Audi has the A4 and A5, even though the A5 is just an A4 Coupe. Mercedes used to have the "CLK" alongside the "C-Class" - this naming thing for the same cars is common.

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All 3 cars look great and hopefully the race is great.

I'll take the 2 on the right. Wink

So agree! A jumped up Skoda doesn't appeal much. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:47 am

3 cars, Is that it?

I know times are tough but come on Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:03 pm

Bruno Spengler quits Mercedes for BMW in 2012

So six cars each maybe? 18 cars? just normal size grid for DTM or will Audi and mercedes run more.

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All 3 cars look great and hopefully the race is great.

I'll take the 2 on the right. Wink

So agree! A jumped up Skoda doesn't appeal much. Razz [/quote]

A jumped up Skoda........DTM Drivers champion and teams champion and finish 1st and 2nd in the drivers standings. germanyflag

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3 cars, Is that it?

I know times are tough but come on Rolling Eyes

there will be more teams with cars like Abt Audi, Rosberg Audi, Mucke Mercedes, HWA Mercedes who will run cars.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:05 am

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A jumped up Skoda........DTM Drivers champion and teams champion and finish 1st and 2nd in the drivers standings.

Mercedes-Benz have more DTM victories and championships than Audi does. The Mercedes C-Class in DTM has won 85 races out of the 159 that it has entered; Audi cannot hope to have such a record with its models. Since both car makers have raced against other in 2006, the C-Class has 54 wins and the Audi A4 only has 34 wins.

Audiís road cars are mostly just posh Skodaís and VWís Ė there is no ďAudiĒ as such Ė itís just a name.


In other news, Bruno Spengler is moving to BMW next season: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95679

Thatís a gutsy move having spent so long at Mercedes-Benz, I suppose Spenglerís championship hopes rely on how quickly BMW can get their M3 running competitively.




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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:28 pm

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A jumped up Skoda........DTM Drivers champion and teams champion and finish 1st and 2nd in the drivers standings.

Mercedes-Benz have more DTM victories and championships than Audi does. The Mercedes C-Class in DTM has won 85 races out of the 159 that it has entered; Audi cannot hope to have such a record with its models. Since both car makers have raced against other in 2006, the C-Class has 54 wins and the Audi A4 only has 34 wins.

Audiís road cars are mostly just posh Skodaís and VWís Ė there is no ďAudiĒ as such Ė itís just a name.

Not all audi Road cars and Skoda's or VW's.......

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In other news, Bruno Spengler is moving to BMW next season: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95679

Thatís a gutsy move having spent so long at Mercedes-Benz, I suppose Spenglerís championship hopes rely on how quickly BMW can get their M3 running competitively.

You would think BMW might have head start however Audi i know where testing since middle of the year after le mans i think.



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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:25 am

Not really, the rules for 2012 havenít dramatically changed. There are new aerodynamic restrictions, but the cars will still have the same purpose-built chassisí and 4.0 litre V8ís Ė thatís been the same since 2000. Skoda and Mercedes have been fine-tuning their cars over the years, whereas BMW are building a car from scratch. Plus, the other car manufacturers have a yearís experience of using the Hankook tyres in real race conditions. I donít see how BMW could contend for victory from the first race.

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Not all audi Road cars and Skoda's or VW's.......

I donít recall saying they were, hence why I said they were mostly posh Skodaís/VWís. But really, itís rather academic Ė the vast majority of Audiís are jumped up Skodaís/VWís or heavily use VW bits. The A8 and R8 are the only models that are close to bespoke, but those models make up a tiny proportion of Audiís range.

p.s. Iím just teasing you about Audi; I wouldnít take it seriously if you are!


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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:07 am

I am looking forward to the DTM at Brands Hatch next year Smile However I do wish they would change the provisional date for the weekend. It is way to close to travelling to Monaco. Please change it lol!

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:20 am

Yep, that's a totally new time of year for the Brands Hatch round. Since DTM went there in 2006 it's been an early September race. If there is one race I'm looking forward to attending, it's that. Seeing the three German automotive giant's battle it out is going to be epic.


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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:00 am

The Brands date has moved around, 06 July, 07 June, 08 onwards September. So a new month next year is nothing new.
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:06 am

It was? Yikes, my memory is not great.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:59 am

DTM champion Martin Tomczyk leaves Audi

i thought he would stayed as he would of got a drive with Audi but he must got a better deal.

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Audi has confirmed that its 2012 line-up will be capped at seven new A5s, two of which will be driven by former champions Mattias Ekstrom and Timo Scheider.

So 7 cars from Audi so will it be 7 cars each?

i wonder who going to be in the cars!
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:26 am

I thought that a guy like Tomczyk would have opted for continuity rather than a new challenge, I guess he's joining one of BMW's teams. BMW Motorsport need all the experience that they can get, with the 2012 cars being similar to the old spec ones.

Yep, each car maker will have seven cars each to make it equal.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:32 am

So each marque then would presumably have 3 teams of 2 with one to spare?
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:43 am

Not sure how it will exactly be divided up, with different teams running the same cars, but I did hear that each marque would have seven each -a rumour I heard at Brands Hatch. I predict that each marque will field six cars each, why? Well, BMW Motorsport have already announced that they will have three teams - and it would sense that each team have two cars each + six M3's.

No idea what Audi and Mercedes-Benz are planning, but I think they will go the same way.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:42 pm

champion Tomczyk moving to BMW http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96404
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:27 am

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champion Tomczyk moving to BMW http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96404

Bit of a surprise that.
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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:10 am

right who do think we retain there seat or go else where.

BMW
Martin Tomczyk
Bruno Spengler
Andy Priaulx
Augusto Farfus


Audi
Mattias EkstrŲm
Timo Scheider
Filipe Albuquerque
Mike Rockenfeller
Edoardo Mortara
Oliver Jarvis
Miguel Molina

Mercedes
Ralf Schumacher
Gary Paffett
Jamie Green
David Coulthard
Maro Engel
Christian Vietoris
Susie Wolff
Renger van der Zande

so who do you think will go who do think we stay and who do you think will get a seat. i believe each manufacture will field 7cars? some are confirmed some are not.

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PostSubject: Re: The New DTM starts here!!   Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:50 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Jorg or Dirk Muller drive one of the BMW M3 DTM's, as both are long standing BMW drivers. Jorg in particular is a likely choice for BMW.

Mercedes-Benz need to ditch Coulthard and Ralf, both may attract some fan interest as established drivers, but lets be honest, neither is going to be contending for a championship. I worry for Mercedes actually, Paffett and Green are the only MB drivers that stand out.

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