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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:40 pm

There is some great footage of the LEMANS test weekend on youtube, Shame Eurosport can't be there
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:40 am

I was surprised by the Toyota's, partly because of the livery change, but mostly because of their pace against the Audi's at this early stage of testing for the race.

Many (myself included) took the view that with Peugeot gone, the 4-car 'Ingolstadt Armada' would wipe the floor at Le Mans, but if this is any indicator of what to expect from both marques, we could be in for a right ol' rumble on race day(s). Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:40 am

I really hope that Toyota do well, I love the fact that they’re using an NA V8. Nothing would satisfy me more than for Toyota to beat the noiseless washing machines. A victory for loud petrol engines.


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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:47 am

Notice for those who have tickets for LEMANS


Sacreblue! - A Warning To Le Mans Ticket Holders

The ACO has today issued a press-release to all ticket holders for the Le Mans 24 Hours:

NOTE FROM THE AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE L’OUEST
Tickets damaged by light and heat

The Automobile Club de l’Ouest has found a quality problem on the thermal paper used for all the access tickets to the Le Mans 24-Hours test day.

The tickets become black when exposed to the heat or the sun for extended periods, so they cannot be checked (visual or scan).

This problem has arisen because our supplier has used defective paper.

All the tickets - pedestrians, car parks camp sites and traffic are concerned.

To be able to continue to use your tickets please respect the following instructions:
- Do not expose your tickets to the light or heat.
- Do not use the plastic pouch that enables you to show the car park, welcome area or traffic circulation pass behind your windscreen.
- Only take out the ticket for checks.
- Do not leave them in your vehicle.

However, the print from the thermal printers is stronger so it is possible read the bar code numbers as well as the transaction numbers to find these tickets in the ticket computer programme and to reprint them if necessary.

Additional personnel will be entrusted with the job of replacing the tickets by E-tickets printed on ordinary paper.

Seven places for reprinting the defective tickets will be available from Monday 11th June 2012 open from 08h00 to 18h00. They will stay open all week until Sunday 17th June at 14h00.

- The General Welcome (ticket office) at the Rotonde, in the Parc des Expositions,
- North entrance,
- South entrance,
- East entrance
- Annex entrance
- Beauséjour entrance
- The sporting module (main building in front of the pits)

Outside these times, a single withdrawal point will be available at the ‘Plis en attente’ in the Rotonde in the Le Mans Parc des Expositions.

The Automobile Club de l’Ouest would like to present its excuses to the spectators, partners, team members, suppliers and media representatives for this inconvenience that is outside its responsibility and caused by the use of unsuitable paper by one of its suppliers.

We remain at your disposal for further information on 33 (0) 2 43 40 2012 (between 09h00 and 18h00).










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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:57 am

yes, that was quitge a mistake wasn't. It has typical silverstone mistake all over.
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:58 am

Razz what about photocopying them just encase for proof ?

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:07 am

same thing I think, certainly laminating them will cook them.

keep them cold!
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:48 pm

Le Mans 24 Hours Test Day
Trying To Understand The Numbers

Thanks to José Luis Garcia and his colleagues at Al Kamel Systems, providers of the timekeeping service at Le Mans, a great deal of data became available immediately after the red flag flew, bringing the Le Mans Test Day to a slightly premature close just minutes before 6pm on Sunday. Although, as uncompleted laps at that time had to be aborted due to the red flag, the possibility remains that some cars would have been in a position to improve, had Enzo Potolicchio not crashed at the Dunlop chicane.

So despite, for family reasons, being unable to be at the Test Day, it was possible for me to follow what was going on, and more importantly, to analyse some of the less obvious results.

Hence, I know that Elton Julian was fined €2,000, Christoffer Nygaard €1,400, Bertrand Baguette €800, Fabien Barthez €4,200, Yelmer Buurman €1,000 and Stuart Hall €400 for speeding in the pit lane during the morning session.

Perhaps it is more interesting though to look at what was happening on the track. Of particular interest this year is the way that fuel consumption will affect the race. For this year’s race, fuel capacity aboard LMP1 cars has been reduced, such that the diesel-engined Audi R18 ultras may only carry 60 litres, and the hybrid e-tron quattros only 58 litres. (Compare that to 1955, when cars were permitted 200 litres of high-octane petrol!) The hybrid Toyotas, being petrol-powered, are allowed 73 litres.

So what does that mean in terms of numbers of laps? Last year, in the intense Audi vs Peugeot battle, the Audis (then with 65 litres of diesel aboard), could comfortably manage 11 laps, but not 12 unless there was a full course caution.

So I was a little surprised this year that the Audis managed 12 laps without refuelling on a number of occasions.

The number 1 Audi managed a 12 lap stint at the end of the morning session. The number 2 did one at midday, and shortly aftwards, the number 3 non-hybrid, with more fuel and less-efficient technology managed 2 stints of 12 laps as well. Marco Bonanomi, in the non-hybrid, (run by Howden Haynes) did his 12 lap stint ‘straight out of the box’ after a single installation lap when the green flag flew at 9am. Oliver Jarvis did another 12 lapper before lunch.

Straight after lunch, André Lotterer did 12 laps in number 1, but Audi’s programme now moved on to other things.

Over at Toyota, only one stint was of 12 laps – set by Sébastien Buemi in the no. 8 car in the afternoon session. Crucially, though, the safety car made its appearance on track during this stint, so the average lap times during the stint went up significantly. Without the intervention, would the Japanese cars have been able to do a full 12 laps? On the evidence of last Sunday, I would suggest not.

One of the great fallacies of Le Mans, however, is that saving fuel at the expense of lap time, and spending less time in the pits, is a formula for success. Greater pace will usually see you ahead of a slower, but more economical car. The average lap times for these stints are therefore interesting to examine.

Car No. Driver Stint End Time Average Lap Time
4 Bonanomi 10:07 3m 36.8s
2 Kristensen 12:12 3m 35.6s
3 Gené 12:12 3m 35.6s
4 Jarvis 12:12 3m 34.7s
3 Duval 12:57 3m 35.2s
1 Tréluyer 13:00 3m 33.0s
1 Lotterer 15:10 3m 31.5s


Note especially that final average lap time from Lotterer – after the lunch break. This included a lap time of 3m 27.167s, and moreover was on a slightly damp track! In 2011, the fastest stint of the race was ten laps from Tréluyer with an average lap time of 3m 28.7s. Bear in mind how the nature of the Le Mans track is to improve over race week, as the rubber goes down: it is clear to me, that this year’s Audi is a substantial step forward – with or without hybrid technology. If a 2012 Audi is capable of completing an extra lap with 7 litres less diesel on board, without reducing its pace, then surely a faster lap time would be possible if a less economical engine mapping were used?

Allan McNish’s fastest lap of the two sessions – 3m 25.927s – is remarkable compared to last year’s fastest time during the test day of 3m 27.687s. On that basis, this year’s pole lap could be in the 3m 22s bracket.

What about the pace of the Toyota though? Even though neither of the petrol hybrids completed a full 12 lap stint, there were some 11 lappers that can be used for evaluation. In the morning, Kazuki Nakajima did 11 laps at an average of 3m 39.3s and Nicolas Lapierre an average of 3m 33.7s. After the lunch break came an 11 lap stint from Anthony Davidson at an average of 3m 36.7s.

Slower than Audi, yes; but not embarrassingly so, especially when you consider how much steeper is the Toyota learning curve, despite the presence of the Oreca expertise in the garage. For the sake of the race, let’s hope that the reliability is there.

Where might the petrol privateers be? A petrol LMP1 last year could manage 12 laps on a 75 litre tank of fuel. With the same fuel allowance this year, none of the stints from the Test Day suggest that sufficient improvements in fuel efficiency have been made to permit an additional lap to be completed. In terms of lap times, the fastest privateer lap time this year came from the Strakka HPD with a time of 3m 34.243s – more than two seconds faster than last year’s fastest privateer, but still substantially slower than the works Audi or Toyota times.

In terms of long stints though, the longest stint for Piers Philips crew at Strakka Racing was just seven laps for the HPD: that is well short of a full tank of fuel. Indeed, neither of the HPDs really completed enough laps to enable sensible average lap calculations.

The two Rebellion entries both completed 12 lap stints on several occasions – the same as last year, and average lap times for both were within a few tenths of one another at around 3m 43.3s.

In comparison, 2004 winner Seija Ara, at the wheel of the Pescarolo Dome did 11 laps at an average of 3m 47.5s.

In summary, it would seem that the order is clear: Audi, Toyota, Rebellion, Pescarolo. Without the inevitable intervention of safety cars, 16.5 laps an hour would be possible - on a dry track. For a record distance, 398 laps would be needed. Unlikely, but just possible, despite the restrictions that face the cars these days.

Sebring provided a great battle in LMP2, and at Le Mans a close race is also in prospect. New regulations have helped to improve the reliability of cars in the class, but working out who might come out on top over twenty-four hours is more complex because of the requirement for a silver/bronze graded driver on the roster, and the need for this driver to complete at least four hours of the race.

In the following table, I show the average of the top three times from each driver in each of the LMP2 cars that participated in the Test Day with three drivers.

Car No. Drivers Car Average Lap Time
38 Dolan/Hancock/Kurosawa Jota Zytek 3m 44.5s
42 Ordoñez/Brundle/Brundle Greaves Zytek 3m 44.9s
25 Martin/Charouz/Graves ADR-Delta Oreca 3m 45.5s
26 Panciatici/Ragues/Rusinov Signatech Oreca 3m 45.6s
49 Companc/Ayari/Kaffer Pecom Oreca 3m 45.7s
48 Firth/Hughes/Hartley Murphy Oreca 3m 46.1s
24 Lahaye/Pla/Nicolet Oak Morgan 3m 46.8s
23 Mailleux/Lombard/Tresson Signatech Oreca 3m 46.9s
46 Beche/Thiriet/Tinseau Thiriet Oreca 3m 46.9s
44 Potolicchio/Dalziel/TKS Starworks HPD 3m 48.2s
45 Briere/Petersen/Nakano Boutsen Oreca 3m 48.5s
30 Sims/Buurman/Ianetta Status Lola 3m 50.3s
41 Zugel/Gonzalez/Julian Greaves Zytek 3m 51.4s
40 Frey/Hirschi/Meichtry Race Perf. Oreca 3m 55.3s
28 Giroix/Johansson/Badey Gulf Racing Lola 3m 57.9s
31 Holzer/Schultis/Moro Lotus Lola 4m 00.8s
29 Deletraz/Ihara/Quick Gulf Racing Lola 4m 09.5s


Finally, note that the other three LMP2 cars were only driven by two drivers, so I have not included them in this list. These were the no. 33 Level 5 Motorsports car (not driven by Scott Tucker), the no. 35 Oak Morgan Nissan (not driven by Jacques Nicolet) and the Norma.

With just days before the start of official qualifying, many questions remain to be answered. But some important ones have already been answered, if you start to dig under the surface of the numbers from the Test Day.











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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:48 am

LEMANS 2012 spotters guide



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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:56 am

Cornish Pirate 7 wrote:
LEMANS 2012 spotters guide



http://www.spotterguides.com/le-mans-2012/

Which is awesome
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:49 am




Eurosport's current UK Le Mans 24 Hours live scheduling (CET in brackets) is:

Weds 13th June

15.00-19.00 (16.00-20.00) Free practice
21.00-23.00 (22.00-24.00) Qualifying 1

Thurs 14th June

18.00-20.00 (19.00-21.00) Qualifying 2
21.00-23.00 (22.00-24.00) Qualifying 3

Sat 16th June

08.00-09.00 (09.00-10.00) Warm-up
09.00-09.55 (10.00-10.55) Group C Legends Race
13.45-24.00 (14.45-24.00) Le Mans 24 Hours

Sun 17th June

00.00-14.15 (00.00-15.15) Le Mans 24 Hours
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:13 am

I’m glad that Eurosport has committed themselves to full coverage. I thought after Peugeot pulling out, they might lose interest themselves – glad that’s not the case.

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:14 am

Should be great watching the Group C cars in action around La Sarthe. Can't wait for this all to start now. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:32 am

Great to see cars going round le mans.

Still gutted I can't stay up to watch the full race. Hopefully something is online. Like I have seen on YouTube
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:38 am

Well I am gutted but I wont be a member of the up all night gang this year. I am at work from 4 am Saturday morning and will be dead by about 11pm lol! No

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:40 am

Yep ! LEMANS is here !!! it was good to see the cars going around the track, now awaiting for qualifying
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:42 am

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Well I am gutted but I wont be a member of the up all night gang this year. I am at work from 4 am Saturday morning and will be dead by about 11pm lol! No
sorry to hear you have not planed to be off on LEMANS weekend, i have all this week off plus Monday 18th
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:51 am

Andre Lotterer put the #1 Audi e-tron on top by 1.3 seconds just as the chequered flag fell on the opening free practice session for the Le Mans 24 Hours on Wednesday.

Lotterer and fellow e-tron driver Tom Kristensen had engaged in a late battle for first place, with the German pipping the Dane by just over a tenth of a second 25 minutes from the end.

There was still more speed to come from the #1, though, as Lotterer demonstrated with a commanding 3m25.163s on his penultimate flying lap. Only traffic prevented an even quicker time on the next lap, as Lotterer set the best middle sector of the day before being delayed.

Although the e-trons were monopolising the leading positions by the end, both varieties of Audi and the Toyotas had also taken a number of turns on top as the four-hour session developed.

The #3 was the leading ultra in third place, 2.3s off the pace and 0.4s ahead of the sister #4 car.

Toyota's lead #7 car was fifth, 3.2s down on Audi's benchmark.

The #8 Toyota only managed five laps before developing a problem that stranded it on the Mulsanne straight, and required an engine change once it was brought back to the garage. The work should be completed in time for qualifying, but leaves the Anthony Davidson/Sebastien Buemi/Stephane Sarrazin crew very short on mileage and without a spare engine for the rest of the event.

Strakka's HPD was comfortably 'best of the rest' behind Audi and Toyota, with Danny Watts putting the car seventh overall, two seconds ahead of Pescarolo's Dome and the #12 Rebellion Lola-Toyota.

The leading few cars in the ultra-competitive LMP2 were covered by just a few tenths of a second until Ryan Dalziel moved the Starworks HPD 1.1s clear of its class rivals in the closing stages. The Jota Zytek-Nissan closed to within half a second in Sam Hancock's hands with two minutes to go, moments before Warren Hughes moved Murphy's ORECA-Nissan into third with another late improvement.

Just 0.082s covered the #24 OAK Morgan-Judd, #26 Signatech ORECA-Nissan and #45 Boutsen Ginion ORECA-Nissan in fourth, fifth and sixth places.

Aston Martin took early GTE Pro honours thanks to a 3m57.036s lap from Darren Turner. That put the car four tenths of a second ahead of the leading Luxury Ferrari, with the #74 car the top Corvette in third.

AF Corse's #51 Ferrari was fourth quickest, but will require substantial repairs before qualifying after Giancarlo Fisichella crashed at the Porsche Curves.

Fastest GTE Am car was the #79 Flying Lizards Porsche, in which Patrick Pilet lapped within 1.2s of the top GTE Pro time.

Although it lost some running with early electrical problems, the Nissan DeltaWing rejoined to set the 28th fastest time overall, ahead of six LMP2 cars. The DeltaWing lapped two seconds faster than its test day pace as it delivered a 3m43.576s, four seconds down on the LMP2 leaders.


Pos Cl Drivers Team/Car Time
1. P1 Fassler/Lotterer/Treluyer Audi e-tron 3m25.163s
2. P1 Capello/Kristensen/McNish Audi e-tron 3m26.494s
3. P1 Dumas/Duval/Gene Audi Ultra 3m27.494s
4. P1 Bonanomi/Jarvis/Gene Audi Ultra 3m27.885s
5. P1 Wurz/Lapierre/Nakajima/Buemi Toyota 3m28.421s
6. P1 Davidson/Buemi/Sarrazin/Nakajima Toyota 3m30.162s
7. P1 Leventis/Watts/Kane Strakka HPD 3m31.651s
8. P1 Ara/Minassian Pescarolo Dome-Judd 3m34.035s
9. P1 Prost/Jani/Heidfeld Rebellion Lola-Toyota 3m34.154s
10. P1 Brabham/Chandhok/Dumbreck JRM HPD 3m34.641s
11. P1 Belicchi/Primat/Bleekemolen Rebellion Lola-Toyota 3m35.395s
12. P1 Moreau/Baguette/Kraihamer OAK Pescarolo-Judd 3m37.843s
13. P1 Collard/Boullion/Hall Pescarolo-Judd 3m39.656s
14. P2 Potolicchio/Dalziel/Kimber-Smith Starworks HPD 3m39.669s
15. P2 Dolan/Hancock/Kurosawa Jota Zytek-Nissan 3m40.167s
16. P2 Firth/Hughes/Hartley Murphy ORECA-Nissan 3m40.578s
17. P2 Nicolet/Lahaye/Pla OAK Morgan-Judd 3m40.727s
18. P2 Panciatici/Ragues/Rusinov Signatech ORECA-Nissan 3m40.734s
19. P2 Briere/Petersen/Nakano Boutsen ORECA-Nissan 3m40.809s
20. P2 Perez-Companc/Ayari/Kaffer Pecom ORECA-Nissan 3m41.008s
21. P2 Ordonez/Brundle/Brundle Greaves Zytek-Nissan 3m41.426s
22. P2 Martin/Charouz/Graves ADR ORECA-Nissan 3m41.660s
23. P2 Tucker/Bouchut/Diaz Level 5 HPD 3m41.825s
24. P2 Beche/Thiriet/Tinseau TDS ORECA-Nissan 3m41.832s
25. P2 Zugel/Gonzalez/Julian Greaves Zytek-Nissan 3m42.371s
26. P2 Heinemeier Hansson/Nicolet/Pla OAK Morgan-Nissan 3m42.439s
27. P2 Sims/Buurman/Iannetta Status Lola-Judd 3m43.554s
28. CDNT Franchitti/Krumm/Motoyama Highcroft Delta Wing Nissan 3m43.576s
29. P2 Mailleux/Lombard/Tresson Signatech ORECA-Nissan 3m43.577s
30. P2 Frey/Hirschi/Meichtry Race Performance ORECA-Judd 3m43.751s
31. P2 Giroix/Johansson/Badey Gulf Lola-Nissan 3m45.829s
32. P2 Holzer/Schultis/Moro/van der Zande Kodewa Lola-Lotus 3m47.061s
33. P2 Haezebrouck/Thirion/Papin Extreme Limite Norma-Judd 3m48.380s
34. P2 Deletraz/Ihara/Quick Gulf Lola-Nissan 3m50.666s
35. GTE P Fernandez/Mucke/Turner Aston Martin 3m57.036s
36. GTE P Makowiecki/Melo/Farnbacher Luxury Ferrari 3m57.478s
37. GTE P Gavin/Milner Corvette 3m57.508s
38. GTE P Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander AF Corse Ferrari 3m57.735s
39. GTE A Neiman/Pilet/Pumpelly Flying Lizard Porsche 3m58.267s
40. GTE P Lieb/Lietz/Henzler Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 3m58.543s
41. GTE A Simonsen/Nygaard/Poulsen Aston Martin 3m58.753s
42. GTE P Bergmeister/Long/Holzer Flying Lizard Porsche 3m58.930s
43. GTE P Bertolini/Beretta/Cioci AF Corse Ferrari 3m59.135s
44. GTE A Belloc/Bourret/Gibon/Lamy Larbre Corvette 3m59.186s
45. GTE P Taylor/Garcia/Magnussen Corvette 3m59.480s
46. GTE P Walker/Cocker/Wills JMW Ferrari 4m00.231s
47. GTE A Armindo/Narac/Pons IMSA Porsche 4m00.800s
48. GTE A Ried/Roda/Ruberti Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 4m00.834s
49. GTE P Pilet/Curtis/Edwards/Estre IMSA Porsche 4m01.721s
50. GTE A Perazzini/Cadei/Griffin AF Corse Ferrari 4m01.985s
51. GTE A Rodrigues/Ferte/Illiano JMB Ferrari 4m02.931s
52. GTE A Ehret/Montecalvo/Jeannette Luxury Ferrari 4m03.215s
53. GTE A Kauffman/Aguas/Vickers AF-Waltrip Ferrari 4m05.952s
54. GTE A Camathias/Daniels/Palttala JWA Porsche 4m05.977s
55. GTE A Krohn/Jonsson/Rugolo Krohn Ferrari 4m06.849s
56. GTE A Bourret/Gibon/Belloc Larbre Corvette 4m07.566s





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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:52 am

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:05 am

It is indeed nice to see the cars on track. Although it’s a shame that the public road sections are not shown on TV until Saturday. Just seeing the first couple of corners and the final section doesn’t do La Sarthe justice.

Of the public roads that are shown, the on-board cameras keep breaking up.

I really hope that Toyota can close that gap to Audi come race day, because that time difference is a bit too much for them to mount any real challenge to Audi.

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:14 am

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It is indeed nice to see the cars on track. Although it’s a shame that the public road sections are not shown on TV until Saturday. Just seeing the first couple of corners and the final section doesn’t do La Sarthe justice.

Of the public roads that are shown, the on-board cameras keep breaking up.

I really hope that Toyota can close that gap to Audi come race day, because that time difference is a bit too much for them to mount any real challenge to Audi.
In the past they have said that if cameras are placed all the way round for the whole event they would not last long !!
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:16 am

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sorry to hear you have not planed to be off on LEMANS weekend, i have all this week off plus Monday 18th

sadly my boss got there first so I could not book it as well Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:24 am

There is talk that toyota don't expect to finish... And Audi and Toyota have already pick there lead cars who they want to win or lead!
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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:27 am

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There is talk that toyota don't expect to finish... And Audi and Toyota have already pick there lead cars who they want to win or lead!

They are expecting to go all out and break the cars so they have said confused

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PostSubject: Re: Le Mans 2012   Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:34 am

But cannot TV equipment be nicked on Saturday and Sunday too?

I'm not sure how advantageous 4WD will be, even in slick conditions. There’s no substitute for real four wheel power, but traction control on the regular R18’s will help limit slip.

Those Toyota's do sure sound good, they sound angry and loud. NA V8's might not be the fastest - but they have that crucial aural appeal.


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