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PostSubject: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:59 am

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93066

it's such a shame. If this story was anywhere else it might be true. But as it's in autosport it can't possible be true.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:21 am

The possibility is now there as Jaguar and Aston-Martin are no longer part of the same company. It would be interesting to see an LMP1 Jaguar, but I think they need to concentrate on their production products before pursuing something as ambitious and costly as this.

Jaguar Land Rover has been transformed over the last three years with fantastic products, and great sales/profits. Jaguar are planning to expand their product portfolio even further, so I think investments should be prioritised there - not in a racing programme that arguably has few benefits.





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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:21 am

it all depends who's paying. if there's a sponsor then...

the lastest rumor is they'll use the wirth coupe

but the story's in autosport so it's not going to happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:49 am

What it really depends on is whether Tata, Jaguar's owner are prepared to bank roll such a programme. JLR are doing very well at the moment, and I don't see how a motorsport project on this scale is really going to be beneficial to the company.


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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:55 am

jaguar doing formula 1 hurt them massively thats true, there not a formula 1 brand. Renault and Honda are very formula 1 ish brands as is ford but not jaguar.

But traditionally Jaguar are a racing company, just about every model since it started up to the mid ninetys raced somewhere.



perhaps tata want to bring that back.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:42 pm

I think it would be great if Jaguar return, and of course going up against old rivals Porsche.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:50 pm

Nice thought but not going to happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:03 am

Itís true that Jaguar has been involved in a lot of motorsport, but in the late 80ís/early 90ís for example, they had a large-scale racing programme but were faltering as a company. JLR has suddenly become a profitable and thriving company because of the great production models it has launched, with South East Asia responsible for a lot of their growth. These are the areas that JLR need to concentrate on; blowing many millions of pounds on a prototype has no benefits to JLR whatsoever.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:38 am

80's and 90's?

young man thats not even close. Jaguar cars raced just about everything from built from the late 1940's to the 1990's. Jaguar is a company built on it's racing legacy before anything else and very expensive rebodies austin 7's
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:54 am

You need to pay more attention, I never remotely implied that Jaguar started racing in the 80's and 90's. I used that particular example to convey how they had a big racing programme at the time, but were struggling as a marque - hence why motor racing isn't really what they need to be doing - especially at the moment when the company has suddenly become successful.

'Racing legacy' means shit all when it comes to selling road cars - which is the company's bottom line. JLR aren't in motorsport now and have significant demand for their products, which speaks for itself.


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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:03 am

but they are racing at the moment

the xkr is racing both in the states and the europe (not so much this year).

jaguar was struggling because ford thought that building retro styles cars like the s type was a good idea and the public didn't
the period before that was the british leyland period and well BL was a disaster on every level

A le mans program is good for jaguar in my opion and better yet there building good cars again.

Whats really bother some is how on earth did the british and the american's fuck the company up so badly and yet the indias can make cars?

let me say this again though, this was taken from an autosport story so it's bullshit anyway. There's no jaguar p1 car coming.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:04 am

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93066

it's such a shame. If this story was anywhere else it might be true. But as it's in autosport it can't possible be true.
( can't possible be true ) Yet we believed it when Autosport said Porsche was returning !!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:38 am

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cerca trova wrote:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93066

it's such a shame. If this story was anywhere else it might be true. But as it's in autosport it can't possible be true.
( can't possible be true ) Yet we believed it when Autosport said Porsche was returning !!!!!!!!!!!

thats only believable because porsche posted about it on there facebook and you tuba pages. Otherwise I wouldn't believe it.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:41 am

here we go

http://endurance-info.com/version2/actualite-endurance-7702.html

autosport wrong as usually, for shame.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.endurance-info.com/version2/actualite-endurance-7702.html&ei=ehAjToukNseLhQeo4tyjAw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://endurance-info.com/version2/actualite-endurance-7702.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DB0p%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26prmd%3Divns
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:48 am

i think they will go racing at some point though.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:38 am

i don't see Jaguar coming back in the next few years......can you see it? i am not so sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:05 am

i can see jaguar racing an lmp1 within the next 10 years. Probably.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:41 am

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but they are racing at the moment
the xkr is racing both in the states and the europe (not so much this year).

Are they fully-fledged factory outfits? Thought not.

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jaguar was struggling because ford thought that building retro styles cars like the s type was a good idea and the public didn't
the period before that was the british leyland period and well BL was a disaster on every level

True on both accounts. What I was trying to convey is that despite Jaguar have a racing heritage, it really isnít important to the companyís future success Ė as Jaguarís recent success is proving.
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Whats really bother some is how on earth did the british and the american's fuck the company up so badly and yet the indias can make cars?

The actual cars were not too bad during Fordís ownership, the aluminium structure of the 2003 Jaguar XJ was a good idea. But, the appearance and engines of the cars like the S-Type meant they had limited appeal. Plus, Ford didnít update Jaguarís models very often Ė so they got more unappealing as the German marqueís updated and replaced their models more frequently.

At the time, Ford had many brands and arguably didnít manage them all very well. Tata has ensured that Jaguar Land Rover is a company in its own right; with modern styling, competitive engines and technological features. Maybe it has taken a company that hasnít got much experience in making premium cars to see the issues.











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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:35 am

fine, it's true it's pointless for any manufacter to race. No company sells cars on the back of racing, it only makes people slightly more brand aware. Even sponsors have little point in being there. When Cigarette sponsorship was banned they all made more money. Happy?

The only company thats not the case with is Porsche, because they sell racing cars and that kept them in business at times.

I want to see Jaguar at Le mans.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:34 pm

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fine, it's true it's pointless for any manufacter to race. No company sells cars on the back of racing, it only makes people slightly more brand aware. Even sponsors have little point in being there. When Cigarette sponsorship was banned they all made more money. Happy?

The only company thats not the case with is Porsche, because they sell racing cars and that kept them in business at times.

I want to see Jaguar at Le mans.
Winnning racers does sell cars
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:01 pm

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cerca trova wrote:
fine, it's true it's pointless for any manufacter to race. No company sells cars on the back of racing, it only makes people slightly more brand aware. Even sponsors have little point in being there. When Cigarette sponsorship was banned they all made more money. Happy?

The only company thats not the case with is Porsche, because they sell racing cars and that kept them in business at times.

I want to see Jaguar at Le mans.
Winnning racers does sell cars

yes it does, but because the cost of racing is so high you never make that money you send going racing in the first place back. The car would likely have been bought anyway.
Manufacters probably make as much selling those alful branded t shirts as the do selling cars.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:13 am

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fine, it's true it's pointless for any manufacter to race. No company sells cars on the back of racing, it only makes people slightly more brand aware. Even sponsors have little point in being there. When Cigarette sponsorship was banned they all made more money. Happy?


Really? Fascinating, you said it - not me!


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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:12 pm

Manufactures would not be in racing unless there was some end result ! THE SELLER OVER THEIR ROAD CARS
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar planning lmp1 car (but it's in autosport so it's not going to happen)   Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:39 pm

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Manufactures would not be in racing unless there was some end result ! THE SELLER OVER THEIR ROAD CARS

nope, they go racing to either prove a brand or get it noticed. Even Audi and Peugeot take money from sponsor to try and limit the loses.
The part to it is, alot of the sale were likely to happen anyway. Most people don't buy a car any more based on how it does on the track.
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