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PostSubject: A1GP to return?   Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:34 am

Apparently so:

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A new series that would revive the concept of the A1GP World Cup of Motorsport is set to start this autumn, this week's AUTOSPORT magazine reveals.

A group of investors put together by a leading motorsport figure is understood to be weeks away from announcing the new venture under the A10 World Series banner.

AUTOSPORT understands that an early-February launch date has been pencilled in for the one-make single-seater series, which would then kick off in October.

The A10 World Series would, like A1GP, pitch national teams against each other. It will also run through the winter with a calendar comprising a majority of non-European races, with a focus on emerging motorsport markets.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89003

Brilliant, we need winter motorsport. Hopefully they ditch the second generation A1GP car and use the Lola-Zytek.


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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:05 am

even a lola prototype would do, the new p2 cars plus motor is capped at 200k
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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:11 am

Old Zola-Zytek would be even cheaper I suspect, its a dinosaur in terms of technology and design - but very entertaining.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:34 pm

Could it be happening?!?!?

http://www.a1worldcup.com/index.html

The last news that I saw was that there were "two bidders in the running" to buy the cars, that was here on Autosport...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101756

...the web page is either very optimistic or a deal has been done (??)

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:55 am

I wonder why Ferrari are still interested, unless they are getting a lot of £££ for supplying motors.

A1GP can fill a gap, and I hope they do. With GP2 Asia as a winter series being scrapped, A1GP could fill an empty gap in the winter months. If A1GP competes with other championships in the regular months, it will face an impossible task. Race fans are crying out for circuit motorsports in the winter.

What sort of A1GP would we get? The fantastic Lola/Zytek one, or the boring Ferrari parade? The Lolaís were not at all sophisticated; but minimum aero, ultra-wide rear tyres and amazing noises made for a great show.

If I were to be harsh, A1GP was never more than a glorified junior open wheel series. But, the cars/racing/circuits disguised that.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:12 am

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I wonder why Ferrari are still interested, unless they are getting a lot of £££ for supplying motors.

I don't think Ferrari are interested at all... their engines just happen to be part of the stock being sold...

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A1GP can fill a gap, and I hope they do. With GP2 Asia as a winter series being scrapped, A1GP could fill an empty gap in the winter months. If A1GP competes with other championships in the regular months, it will face an impossible task. Race fans are crying out for circuit motorsports in the winter.


I think A1GP was a great "winter series"... kept things alive. Would welcome it back.

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What sort of A1GP would we get? The fantastic Lola/Zytek one, or the boring Ferrari parade? The Lolaís were not at all sophisticated; but minimum aero, ultra-wide rear tyres and amazing noises made for a great show.

Well, the Lola/Zytek one is now called AutoGP isn't it?

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If I were to be harsh, A1GP was never more than a glorified junior open wheel series. But, the cars/racing/circuits disguised that.

That's probably true, but it was a good day out nonetheless. Wasn't A1GP where a lot of us first met in person!?!? I think we also met at Silverstone at the 6-hour "paid by Peugeot" thing, but I have a feeling we met at A1 too. If so, then there will always be a fond memory for that series.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:59 am

The engines are not included.


Just the basic chassis and not a lot else
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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:19 pm

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
The engines are not included.


Just the basic chassis and not a lot else

Why does the site say "Powered by Ferrari" in the bottom right of the website then?

Either that means that they've done a deal with Ferrari to continue or they're using some old A1GP picture and haven't bothered to remove the branding....

...which doesn't bode well for their ability to run a series, if they can't remove a branding.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:39 pm

I suspect they haven't removed the branding.

I'm trying to remember exactly what's what. The car were impounded because they didn't pay a bill or several. They were ready to be shipped to the next race on assumption of payment. That didn't come. I'm not what happened to the engines but there defiantly not part of what's being sold.

I think it's pretty safe to assume Ferrari arnt going to risk another failure of this magnitude which ever way you slice it.


Actually wern't a1gp paying for the Ferrari engines and that caused most of the problem?
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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:41 pm

The original A1GP will always hold fond memories for me, Sean. A1GP managed to race at superb circuits too, when they raced outside Europe Ė they were at the right circuits. Eastern Creek, Sepang, Mexico City, Durban (that amazing finish with Verstappen), Laguna Seca and others.

I always preferred the noise of the Zytek motor to the Ferrari 4.3 litre. The latter sounded boring in comparison. The Zytek spat, flamed and popped through the gearbox Ė the Ferrari motor sounded too sophisticated.

I agree that A1GP was a great winter series, better than GP2 Asia which had some disastrous races (Indonesia) and had too few rounds. The Lola chassis had excellent mechanical grip and really didnít seem to have much aero-turbulence, strangely for a single seater.

I think we did meet at Brands, although I cannot be too sure on that Ė it seems ages ago!

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:45 pm

Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
I suspect they haven't removed the branding.

I'm trying to remember exactly what's what. The car were impounded because they didn't pay a bill or several. They were ready to be shipped to the next race on assumption of payment. That didn't come. I'm not what happened to the engines but there defiantly not part of what's being sold.

I think it's pretty safe to assume Ferrari arnt going to risk another failure of this magnitude which ever way you slice it.


Actually wern't a1gp paying for the Ferrari engines and that caused most of the problem?

I'm surprised that Ferrari were interested in the first place. The cynic in me says that Ferrari were trying to give Max Mosley a message, by showing they could back another open wheel, global championship. They have the money and time to play political games.

Auto GP does use the old A1GP package, but the races are mysteriously boring. Iím not sure how another series using the same car can be so snoozy, but thatís how it goes.

The mistake of the Ferrari car, was probably that the car had more power (good), but also had more downforce (bad).

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:03 am

Mobil 1 wrote:
Jeremy Aardvark wrote:
I suspect they haven't removed the branding.

I'm trying to remember exactly what's what. The car were impounded because they didn't pay a bill or several. They were ready to be shipped to the next race on assumption of payment. That didn't come. I'm not what happened to the engines but there defiantly not part of what's being sold.

I think it's pretty safe to assume Ferrari arnt going to risk another failure of this magnitude which ever way you slice it.


Actually wern't a1gp paying for the Ferrari engines and that caused most of the problem?

I'm surprised that Ferrari were interested in the first place. The cynic in me says that Ferrari were trying to give Max Mosley a message, by showing they could back another open wheel, global championship. They have the money and time to play political games.

Auto GP does use the old A1GP package, but the races are mysteriously boring. Iím not sure how another series using the same car can be so snoozy, but thatís how it goes.

The mistake of the Ferrari car, was probably that the car had more power (good), but also had more downforce (bad).

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:17 am

Thatís something I know we agree on. Laughing

Iím not sure why a new car was ever needed; nobody ever got killed in the Lola. The Lola chassis with extra power would have been truly epic to watchÖ

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:36 am

lola and zytek actually proposed exactly that, more power with a little reworking of the body work to make it look better.
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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:35 pm

Mobil 1 wrote:
I think we did meet at Brands, although I cannot be too sure on that Ė it seems ages ago!

I'm pretty sure we did... you were perched at the top of Paddock Hill Bend I think... we then met again at the Silverstone 6 Hours.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:32 am

Ah, I thought so Sean.

I did recall Lola and Zytek having that plan, but wasnít sure if I was correct. Having a big name like Ferrari isnít necessarily a good thingÖas it was proven.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:50 am

ferrari arn't this golden ticket they have claimed and seemed to be and it was found out
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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:53 am

Do you remember they also had all these plans for the A2GP and (later) A3GP?

That was an incredibly obvious sign that they were stretching about their means. Was not a great surprise when it all went belly up.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:13 am

A1GP never had stability, either. Its founder decided to step down after the first couple of years, then Teixeira implemented the snoozy Ferrari package.

I will always remember when Teixeira said that Bernie Ecclestone was interested in buying A1GP. Itís the best dream Iíve heard. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I dread to think if A1GP had its own junior categories. As we were discussing, the junior open wheel market is saturated as it is. The original A1GP was best - its car, engine and circuits. It only went downhill afterwards.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:18 am

Mobil 1 wrote:
I dread to think if A1GP had its own junior categories. As we were discussing, the junior open wheel market is saturated as it is. The original A1GP was best - its car, engine and circuits. It only went downhill afterwards.

I shall never forget the noise of those cars.. beautiful, spluttering their way around the corners... you could hear those splutter-splutter-splutter off in the woods from Paddock Hill... most strange, as it's easy to forget just how far the Grand Prix Circuit actually goes "to the left" when looking towards Druids.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:08 am

The noise of the Zytek kind of reminded me of the gurgle from a pushrod stock car V8. Unsophisticated, unsubtle but utterly marvellous.

I love the high pitched scream of an F1 motor, but this offered something unique.

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PostSubject: Re: A1GP to return?   Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:27 am

Hmm, hearing those Auto GP cars at Sonoma reminded me how gorgeous the A1GP Zytek engines sound.

Properly loud and sound lovely.

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