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PostSubject: dtm support series for grand am   Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:13 pm

http://www.bsimracing.com/?p=12302

well dtm america at least. by the way the cost of a dtm car is rediculous compared to say other touring car series and even sports prototypes. I give it less than a year as it gets less than 6 entries, there arn't enough idiots in the world.
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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:16 am

As I said in another thread, DTM cars will become less sophisticated and less complicated in design and built with the new generation cars in 2012. Instead of having bespoke carbonfibre chassis’ and complicated aerodynamic kits, the new cars are going to be based on production cars and will lose all the aero detailing on the front/rear bumpers – a bit like a V8 Supercar or an Italian Superstar car.

That’s going to reduce costs massively, but anyway DTM must be affordable enough even now as more privateers cars exist then factory spec cars – from owners like Peter Mucke and Keke Rosberg.

I think the new generation of DTM cars and the American championship itself would complement Grand-Am very well, because Grand-Am has a more middle-class crowd then NASCAR does. And it’s the middle classes in the USA that buy Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz cars.



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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:27 am

Sav 2 wrote:
As I said in another thread, DTM cars will become less sophisticated and less complicated in design and built with the new generation cars in 2012. Instead of having bespoke carbonfibre chassis’ and complicated aerodynamic kits, the new cars are going to be based on production cars and will lose all the aero detailing on the front/rear bumpers – a bit like a V8 Supercar or an Italian Superstar car.


that will help no end

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That’s going to reduce costs massively, but anyway DTM must be affordable enough even now as more privateers cars exist then factory spec cars – from owners like Peter Mucke and Keke Rosberg.

arn't they totally funded by the manufacters? or as least given to the teams?



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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:23 am

The cars themselves are given to private teams, but that's like how many privateer deals work. Small teams buy WTCC cars from BMW or GT2 cars from Porsche.

As for funding, if there is any funding given by Mercedes-Benz or Audi it would have diminished in recent years as DTM cars are frozen in development.

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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:59 am

BMW have 300+ custom 3 series cars racing in the world racing in lots of s2000 series, how many dtm type series are for bmw, merceds and audi to sell cars too, 1 and i can't see that lasting. I can't see how dtm can compete on that basis.
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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:26 am

It doesn't matter because older specification DTM cars are sold to private DTM teams - e.g. team Phonix (run by Keke Rosberg) uses year old Audi's. Its simple for a manufacturer like BMW, who make S2000-spec cars and will make DTM cars. They will continue to manufacturer the S2000-spec 3-Series E90 with the 2011 turbocharged WTCC unit for as long as privateers want them, and after their DTM car has been developed and tested enough - those older cars can be sold to DTM privateers who want to use BMW's M3's.

In fact the issue in the future, will be that globally touring car rules are changing and will not be consistent anymore. WTCC will have different rules in 2011 (which fully come into force in 2012), so will BTCC and STCC and so will DTM. The flexibility of S2000 cars won't be around for much longer. Really, the touring car world has been spolit by the flexibility of the S2000 spec cars - and good things come to an end at some stage.

And anyway, BMW now sells so many customer racing cars like the Z4 GT3, M3 GT4 etc - that not selling so many 3-series Saloons in S2000 spec will not impact too much on their customer motorsport sales.

Put it this way: BMW have been in Motorsport for many decades and they know what they are doing.

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PostSubject: Re: dtm support series for grand am   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:22 am

DTM is a folly, the rest works.
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