Now I pose specific question, without questioning Vettel's pure speed. In my opinion over a single lap, he is the fastest driver in F1 - his ability to pull out laps from seemingly nowhere is astonishing.

But, when he isn't on pole and isn't leading out of turn 1. He rarely features in the races. I think back to Nurburgring last year, when he was mired back into the field and really failed to make up any positions when imo, other drivers would have. For me, my favourite drivers are pure racers, they know how to overtake and will not make a hash of it. Think of Hamilton and Button, they are very precise under the brakes and can execute overtaking moves to near perfection. They can overtake sensibly and can judge whether an overtaking opportunity is there or not.

Can Vettel? All we see from him is sensational speed, but no actual overtaking. He seems to have grown a large fan base for his cheeky smile and good skills in front of the camera, and of course - his great speed. But surely if he is so great as people think he is, he has to start showing some intelligent race craft? I won't consider him to be one of the greats until he overtakes more.

I consider overtaking to be a very important part of a driver, and I don't see much from him. When I mean passing, I mean genuine overtaking where he has made a clean pass and used good judgment. Part of my issue is related to last weekend, he thought that it was acceptable to just scare somebody out of the way and expect Webber to just give him to the lead. It shows that he underestimates his opponents too, as well as thinking that just because your side by side, you can automatically have the position. I know he is still young, but nearly all the great drivers display their awesome race craft at Vettel's stage of their GP careers.

Its something I have been thinking about lately, well since the race last year he was glued to a Ferraris gearbox all race. Not disputing his speed, but he seems to struggle when it comes to a non strategical race without overtaking in the pitlane.

I dont think he is the racer many thought he would be and should be.

There's no denying he's one of the fastest guys out there, but I think the fact that all of his victories to date have been from pole would perhaps put weight behind the argument that he can't overtake. Add to that what happened in Turkey this year, and many would consider the case closed.

Speed isn't always everything.

Yeah it's definitely the weak area of his driving. I always thought Michael Schumacher's weakest part was his overtaking but even he was much better at this than Vettel is.

The incident in Istanbul was definitely his fault. That's not to say Webber wasn't over forceful - he should have given Vettel room once it was obvious the German was there. But it was very much Vettel's moving across on Webber too early that caused that accident.

i'm not sure Schumacher is better than veteel at overtaking. Neither of them do much of it.

Look at astralia when Schumacher was behind Algursuari for more than half the race.

that seems very high from memory. Maybe my mind playing tricks.

I was watching highlights of the 1998 Canadian GP on the Red Button and Schumacher does pull off a rather good move. He gives Damon Hill a dummy, Damon thinks that he will not pass him after Schumi gets back on the racing line behind Damon, then suddenly surprises him at turn 13 and passes him. I think Schumacher can overtake when he needs to, and can do it cleanly most of the time.

The same cannot be said for Vettel.

Not being out of position on the grid can make him appear less effective at racing other cars for position at times but he can make up positions in races and not just from overtaking, like in the last he still managed to be infront of Hamilton after the pit stops. Its better to not have to overtake people for overtakings sake as we saw it can go very wrong.

New tyres should be 9 seconds a lap faster. But last 3 laps.